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Never again by: Anonymous on 11/12/2009
Personally, I really wanted to give this site a chance, even with Tom's Hardware guide in Theo's resume. But this article is the last straw. It almost makes me feel bad to delete his site off of my daily reads, but if I could do it with Tom's I can do it with BSN. I'll probably check back in a year to see if the quality of journalism has risen.
Take a look by: Sean Kalinich on 11/12/2009
Many news sites are reporting that these are not the same system but are multiple ones out in the wild.
Just look at the lead in from Engadget.

"we're pleased to say that the company's technology for combining multiple GPUs seems to be well on course. Indeed, a few HYDRA 200 units appear to be out and about"

"When the kids at Hot Hardware put theirs through its paces they encountered drivers issues "

this reads as if there was more than one unit used.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/lucids-gpu-mixing-hydra-engine-gets-previewed-shows-real-promi/
Again Timing by: Sean Kalinich on 11/12/2009
Personally I do not care if they ever send one or not.

The issue here is that they are claiming it is ready and works right now. When companies launch products and show off technology they often (not always) supply the media with samples. This time they showed a prepared demo box. This could be anything, there is no proof that it is a working product. That is the point of this. Lucid is claiming they have no problems with hardware and drivers. They say the product is ready and in production. So where are the real retail (or engineering) samples.

No sites have them as of this writing and I highly doubt any will get them. Why only three sites? Why not a larger group? Why a closed demo? Why not allow for greater access to the configuration why swap cards around to make the pictures look different?

There are too many questions about this one to simply take this at face value.

Again, what would the reaction be if Intel or nVidia did something like this?
i dunno by: Anonymous on 11/12/2009
They brought a couple people to their place, and showed them a dev setup. Why _wouldn't_ they use the same machine each time?

I have been skeptical of this chip since i first read about it, but this article is about as baseless as one can get. Are you trying to leverage some bad press into better access?
Infamous by: Sean Kalinich on 11/12/2009
"the now infamous use of the faked mock up by nVidia"

Just because Charlie says something is infamous doesn't make it so. Any rational person knows that holding up a mock-up card on stage doesn't matter. All that matters is that the real card was being used to produce the actual demonstration.

Yes, I commented on that in an article. However this is different. Lucid is using this event to say the product is ready for use and retail.

This demo system is not an indication that it is ready to be put into production at all but a way of Lucid saying they are not the ones with the problem. It was all a PR stunt by Lucid.

Hydra is not ready for production at all.
by: Kyocera on 11/12/2009
quote. " Lucid is not trying to kill their (AMD/NVIDIA) graphics card business but is encouraging multi GPU(both multi vendor and single vendor) setup or platform."

One thing is marketing, another reality.

Technically the best solution is SINGLE vendor.
Unless you promote some "collect dumped cards and make a super PC recycling idea.

When they deliver a full X16 triple-quad lines chip that scales AT LEAST 90% (single vendor), than this company can talk about being INNOVATIVE and PROMISING.
Till now they are only stirring trouble and capitalizing on Nvidia attacks (and conspiracy theories; MSI is not the only motherboard maker, and far from being top one).
Timing is everything by: Sean Kalinich on 11/12/2009
I am not against LucidLogix at all. I think it is a great idea but lets look at the timing here.

only a couple of days after MSI announces that the drivers for Hydra 200 on the MSI Big Bang Fuzion are a problem we see three large sites doing a "preview" of a demo board that only Lucid has access to. How does this represent a ready and real product? Simply put it does not, it represents a technical demonstration of a product that is not ready for mass production just yet. If it was ready and all was well we would have seen them send out units for testing. Instead we are left with a single box that is being thrown around like it is the crown jewel.

If nVidia or Intel did this people would be crying foul all over the net (in fact they did with the mock up of Fermi) yet Lucid does what is obviously a PR stunt and it is somehow ok?

Again if this is ready and there are no driver or hardware problems with the system why the single non-retail sample spread between multiple sites?

Allow a technology to emerge by: Anonymous on 11/12/2009
Most of people who comment on this are trying to discourage an emerging and promising technology that is not even show its full potential. If you can't encourage a new technology at least please stay away from discouraging even if you are a die-hard AMD-ATI/NVIDIA fan. Lucid is not trying to kill their (AMD/NVIDIA) graphics card business but is encouraging multi GPU(both multi vendor and single vendor) setup or platform. Compared to AMD/NVIDIA driver team, Lucid has got a small still efficient driver team. They managed to develop a working homogeneous or heterogeneous multi-gpu scaling graphics platform within a short time. So problems will be there for sure
but as the driver matures it will all got solved. Even mature technologies like Crossfire and SLI has got numerous problems that depends on the hardware and/or software platform.
Investigation by: Theo Valich on 11/12/2009
When it comes to commenting about LucidLogix being a small company, I would advise that you take a look at our interview with Offir Ramirez, co-founder and COO:

http://bit.ly/LucidHydra

As you can read for yourself, this is a serious company backed by investors such as Intel Capital. As the old saying goes: "If you want to make an omelette, you have to break some eggs."

We did not quote some of the e-mails or conversations we had, but you can read on many publications that allegedly, MSI already sampled the boards and that the product was ready until the "naughty nVidia pressured MSI". Seeing these articles online obviously debunks the sampling theory, and given that LucidLogix did not return our e-mails when it comes to Big Bang launch nor this situation, we ran the story based on our own experience.

We are completely open for cooperation with LucidLogix, but present level of communication is not acceptable for any serious company.

Ed.
by: Kyocera on 11/12/2009
The only true competitive advantage of Hydra is a different approach for SLI/Crossfire solution, not mixed manufacturers.

However, they did not overtake SLI or Crossfire, they are on the same level (perfect scalability that they promised???)
Anyway, if they manage to improve the scalability and distend it on 3 or 4 cards (4 GT300) then they have a bright future (upgradable system).

Otherwise they are HISTORY.
by: Anonymous on 11/11/2009
I'm not quite sure how this is supposed to be a big conspiracy; at least at Tech Report they clearly identified it as a press event with supplied hardware they couldn't mess with.

Hell, they even noted that there are some driver issues with the given box and that Lucid's heads seemed surprised at the idea that gamers using Hydra would all want to use Windows 7, which is where Lucid says the driver problem is...
Sounds like everybody's telling the same story to me!
by: Anonymous on 11/11/2009
I don't see how you could possibly come to the conclusion that this is fake, based solely on the fact that three sites previewed the same piece of hardware. I can't even fathom how that is something negative.

This is a small company, I'm sure they only have so many development boards. Representatives from those three sites probably came in on the same day and one after the other were given a chance to preview the hardware.

Your detective work on Nvidia FUD was great, however this is just
A+ by: Anonymous on 11/11/2009
Mr. Kalinich, I salute you. I am happy to see that BSN didn't ate the PR FUD and read through this charade like a hot knife through butter. Please keep your style of reporting.

Robert
by: Anonymous on 11/11/2009
"Many in the press saw this as a sign that nVidia had put pressure on MSI to prevent the launch"

This originally came from Charlie, which is an unreliable source of information about anything. Even Google classifies his site as Satire. Not news, not even a blog. Satire.

The fact of the matter is that Lucid's chip is a fundamentally flawed idea. The same game running on two different cards from two different companies will not produce identical images. For example, texture filtering may be done slightly differently. Another example would be ATI's drivers removing objects like rocks and canopies in Farcry 2 to try to improve frame rates. So the idea of rendering a portion of a frame on one video card and rendering the rest of the frame on another video card may sound like a good idea, but it is fundamentally flawed, and artifacts will inevitably result. There is NO way to avoid this problem. Lucid's chip may never see the light of day because it just won't work.

"the now infamous use of the faked mock up by nVidia"

Just because Charlie says something is infamous doesn't make it so. Any rational person knows that holding up a mock-up card on stage doesn't matter. All that matters is that the real card was being used to produce the actual demonstration.
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