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RE: SSD Standard by: Theo Valich on 6/20/2009
Michael,

As far as I know, JEDEC recently released SSD-related standard. MO-297. True, it touches only the 1.8" drives, but we're going to see 2.5" and 3.5", and PCIe related standards during 2009.

With WD and Seagate now firmly onboard with the SSD technology, standardization is a question of time.

Ed.
No JEDEC standard? by: Michael A. McKenney on 5/27/2009
I have read articles about Seagate and JEDEC working on a standard for SSD. I know others are involved. I wonder when it will happen?
Either is out of price for most by: Michael A. McKenney on 5/27/2009
SAS was expensive.

$650 8708EM2 with battery
$600 2 x Supermicro Enclosures
$900 3 x Savvio drives
$100 2 x SAS cables

SSD was not out like now.

The reliability and performance is why I went with it. I can do SATA or SAS on the 8708EM2. LSI Logic said some of the SSD drives they tested had issues on the controller. $100 for SAS on-board extra is not bad. Is it just SAS or SAS RAID?

I do want to drop the 2.5" enclosures due to the noise of the fans. How reliable are the SSD drives? How much does performance degrade month to month? I can defrag my SAS in about 30 minutes.

I still go back to the 1-2 year warranty. Why don't they have 5 year warranty? I have clean power.

$100 for SAS on-board, for a single user won't SAS still be better than SSD right now. Once SSD drives get closers to 15K SAS drives in price, they will replace them. They would also have to have a better warranty. 146GB 15K.6 @ $240-$250 vs 80GB @ $420. For Photoshop and CAD with heavy storage IOs, it would make a difference. For gaming, a few seconds faster of loading. I do RAID 1 for protection.

My next upgrade is 2010-2011. So maybe SSD will be in 2nd generation.





Missing the point by: Sean Kalinich on 5/27/2009
You are missing the point again,
You are talking a RAID enclosure. How much did your SAS card set you back? How much did the enclosure?

SAS is not viable for the average consumer either.

You always talk about your SAS setup like they are a common thing but they are not.

SSDs will have faster acceptance than SAS will as the controller hardware is not worth the extra expense.

Take a look at Asus and the P6T Deluxe.
The first verision had an onboard SAS controller but it pushed the price over $300. This hurt sales, now they have a version without the SAS controller that brought it down to $200 and it is selling very nicely. People do not want to buy the extra hardware needed to run SAS in their home systems.
15K SAS vs SSD by: Michael A. McKenney on 5/26/2009
SSD is a nice concept. 1-2 year warranty seems like a short life on an expensive drive. I would like to see them last 5 years to make a $400+ investment worthwhile.

My Savvio 10K SAS drives are in Supermicro enclosures with noisy fans. Going to 3.5" Seagate 15K.6 will reduce the noise by a huge amount and give me better performance. I have seen the 146GB 15K.6 drives are $240-$250 each.

SSD are faster at 220-250MB/s instead of 110-172MB/s on SAS 15K.6. The price is also 2x. If my current 10K drives 55-89MB/s) on the LSI Logic MegaRAID 8708EM2 are already fast. What would putting 15K.6 drives in that are 2x that speed.

On a server, SSD would be worth the investment, if the warranty and reliability can be shown. For home, 15K.6 SAS would be sufficient. I have the controller, just need the drives.
You get two for one by: Sean Kalinich on 5/26/2009
If you look at what you get you actually are getting a lot for your money.
You get a faster, more power efficient drive, plus you are able to reuse your existing drive by dropping it in the provided enclosure.

In effect you are not replacing your drive but adding a new one to the system.
With this upgrade kit I put the 80 GB drive in the book and run the 160 as an external drive.
There is no need for extra power cables as the enclosure runs off of a single USB 2.0 cable.

I now have 240GB of storage to play around with on that book.

That is the attraction for the Kingston kit.

As Theo mentioned most just give you the drive and some very simple cloning software (if that) your old drive gets to gather dust unless you want to recycle it and foot the bill for that.
RE by: Theo Valich on 5/25/2009
RE: Michael A. McKenney - Hi Michael, well, with all due respect, but I for once am a happy camper of getting rid of my 10K RPM drives. For one, they're LOUD. For servers, yeah, if you can hid them from the plain sight, but working on a PC for hours and hours and hours with constant whine is just unacceptable. Personally, I am currently using RAID5 with WD 500GB Black drives. They're silent, and the system is fast.

RE: Hught1956 - On average, the price of SSD drives with equal capacity is cut in half every nine months. 80GB is a little bit on the small side of things, but until players such as Seagate and WD don't come in force, this will be an interesting offering for enthusiasts.

I like what Kingston did with the equipment given with the drive. To be honest, most of SSDs are delivered in absolutely weak packaging for the asked price, while Kingston really put an effort and put 2.5>3.5 drive adapters, all the cables needed, plus you can put a drive in shock-resistant casing. It is a cool concept, and I expect that second gen of this line-up will offer higher capacity and a lesser price.
a bit pricey by: hught1956 on 5/23/2009
For your average pc user these things are too costly at this point. Even for enthusiasts the price point is hard to swallow. As with everything in the pc world I am sure they will become affordable too most as the price has already come down a fair bit. If that happens there will be a huge demand for them.
15K SAS then SSD by: Michael A. McKenney on 5/22/2009
I will probably go to 15K SAS drives for the next upgrade. In 5 years, maybe get SSD drives. I figure they will be better, faster and have better warranty.
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