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@ Farntz by: Sean Kalinich on 6/10/2009
The problem is, as I have noted, they are no different than anyone else.

Foxconn assembles the product so Apple is jsut as open as anyone to assmbly issues by foxconn, CPUs are Intel, again Intel problems can affect Apple just like they would Dell or HP, GPUs and MCPs are nVidia and Intel... you get the picture.

What you see as polish is simply aesthetics, it is an outer shell on a common product.

I agree completely that Apple makes some very beautiful products (although I do think that white and stainless are a little boring).

My article was on how Apple can announce something like copy and paste which has been in other smart phones for years or tethering, or a 64-bit Kernel and get a standing ovation.

But on the other side, Apple does live on marketing hype, after all how can they sell a less powerful system for hundreds of $ more.
As I recall...... by: Frantz on 6/10/2009
We all seem to know the basic facts of the near history of the 64 bit ISA although some of the details have started to become a bit fuzzy.

Apple products in my opinion are more polished. I am not an Apple fanboy, but they must be given their dues.I recognize quality when I see it. That quality is evident in everything they produce and not just in their personal computers.

My first computer was the original Mac with it orange screen, but, did not keep it when my work issued us the IBM PC for work at home.I have since then preferred the open architecture of the PC and have learned to live with its shortcomings over the years. There is nothing like building your own PC with the parts you want. Most people dont want to do that.

Marketing hype alone cannot sustain long term company allegiance unless you subscribe to the theory that all Apple users have drunk the Kool-Aid and gone for second and third.

F.
RE: Aren't we forgetting somebody... by: Theo Valich on 6/9/2009
Hi Guys,

Microsoft got its feet wet with the 64-bit CPUs when the company designed Windows NT 4.0 for DEC Alpha. The 3.51 was a mixed 16/32 bag, but only in later versions Microsoft started to explore what 64-bit can do.
Intel and HP touted Itanic as the future, and MSFT switched resources from Alpha to Itanium.

The 64-bit instruction set on Itanic was not exactly good [both performance and scaling-wise] as the one released by AMD. AMD64 or x86-64 is the instruction set that Microsoft focused on after it was clear that Itanic won't make it.

There are few interesting stories from that time, and the biggest enemy of AMD was AMD itself. They were late with K8 architecture by over a year (18-20 months, I think), and if they didn't had that delay, 64-bit Windows XP would come out in 2002, 3-6 months after the original planned date for the K8 debut.

So, the story is not so simple - but x86-64 is AMD's instruction set, no doubt about it. Intel used the cross-license agreement with AMD to develop Yamhill, AMD's 64-bit compliant instruction set for the P4.

Interestingly though, but if Intel would cancel AMD's x86 license, the last CPU the company could continue to manufacture is Yonah, 32-bit Core CPU ;-)

Ed.
A little off the facts by: Sean Kalinich on 6/9/2009
The OS Kernel was developed by MS. They wrote it to run on the IA64 [itanium CPU] but the OS kernel did not belong to Intel.

As for your comment about x86-64 belonging to Intel well that is completely wrong
EM64T [Intel's name for 64 bit extensions] was developed from AMD's design of the x86-64 standard this was done in response to Itanium and AMD's [correct] belief that true 64-bit computing would not work the way Intel wanted with Itanium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_xp_tablet_pc_edition#Windows_XP_64-Bit_Edition


Apple's products are the same as the other guys now. They run Intel CPUs. Samsung memory, nVidia and ATi GPUs are built by Foxconn so I am not sure where the comment that they are more polished comes from.
Fact or fiction ... Hype and flawless execution.... by: Frantz on 6/9/2009
- Microsoft has had a 64-Bit Kernel since 2001 [IA64] for professional users and x86-64 bit kernels since 2005. But when Apple announced it you would have thought it was a brand new technology exclusive to Apple from the audience reaction. Why?
Should that not be Intel with the Itanium (IA64)kernel? Also x86-64 was also form Intel and is derived from AMD-64....

Apple's polished hype works because they deliver polished products. Without the expectancy of quality and ingenious products, the hype would have fallen flat by now.

F.
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