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DIBBLE CRAP by: Anonymous on 11/6/2009
LIFE IS TO SHORT FOR THE AMOUNT OF ROT THAT YOU PLAYERS CARRY ON WITH.
Pls does anyone have an idea on the release date of the 5870X2 ?
I would think that $800.00 aus would be about the price.
5870x2 in Crossfire by: Michael A. McKenney on 9/30/2009
What kind of performance would two 5870x2 in a ATI Crossfire platform get?
Big Bad Rad 5870 X2! by: Anonymous on 9/19/2009
I cant wait for the BIG BAD RAD 5870 X2!
As for the specs specified by ATI on its 5870 x2, It clearly says it's equivalent to four 4870 performing in CrossFireX mode or two 4870 X2 in CrossFireX mode. Also it supports DX11 and Shader 5 which we already know though right now no PC games are running under it and we'll just have to wait for many months for those new game titles to come out that supports these technologies.

Well, what about the power consumption??? Good question actually!
A single 5870 X2 GDDR 5 consumes a whooping 366 watts of power at load and 52 watts at idle. Dang! 360 watts for a single 5870 X2? What about the 5870 X2 in CorssFireX?
Well, 366 + 366 = 732 watts! Chances are it will require 1200 watts or higher PSU in order to crank two of these in crossfireX mode so the other components and peripherals of your gaming rig will have enough power to handle its tasks when in full load.
Fortunately a 700 watt branded PSU can rock a single 5870 X2 which is think (IMO) is enough to play the latest very demanding pc games @ very very high settings and its FSAA and AA filtering set to its max (based on what the games can offer).
Even if your rig is running on an overclocked i7 extreme edition processor with 3 sticks of Tripple channel DDR 3 ram and 2 SATA II hard drives, 2 optical DVD drives and an 8 high performance 120mm 2,000++ rpm fans that includes 2 CPU cooler fan and an external fan controller and some other usb peripherals including a gaming keyboard and mouse.
So if you have a 700 watt PSU and you want to buy a 5870 x2 to upgrade your gaming experience to da max and you have a quad core overclocked processor, Worry no more because you're still in! And you dont have to buy those 850-1000 watt expensive PSU's.
by: Anonymous on 9/16/2009
@The guy who said $300 is too high and therefore he's not going to play a PC game again.

Are you daft? Buy a sub $100 card and you can play all modern games on medium-high settings. People seem to forget that the 5800's are the high end cards. There will be 5700's and lower for cheaper prices. This has happened in the past as well. I don't see what the big deal is. It's clear that they don't want to cannibalize the 4000 market by offering cheap cards right off the bat. It seems obvious to me.

My only qualm is that I might have to end up waiting for the GT300 just on principal. I hate buying something without seeing what the competition has to offer first.
DX11 by: Sean Kalinich on 9/10/2009
DX11 titles that should be ready at Windows 7 Launch
DiRT2, Race Driver Grid 2, The next Battle Field (they just finished re-writing the engine) there are others also but those are three right off the top.

Talking to a game developer they stated that the actual coding part of the port took about 8 hours to complete.
This is not like the move from DX9 to DX10 you are adding features not creating a completely new code base.

DX 11 Adoption is already twice what DX10 was at this point in its life and more devs will be moving to it as it is easier to code for and add more flexibility and power to gaming.
With a SFF push... What are the lengths of the cards? by: Anonymous on 9/8/2009
Title says it all...

Sean
by: Kakkoii on 9/8/2009
Well.. Looks like these prices may be wrong.

PowerColor is giving away 3 "High end" ATI DX11 Graphics Cards on October 5th to 3 lucky contest winners. The early ad's for this contest rated them as $299 graphics cards.

So either they are giving away 5850's instead of 5870's. Or you guys got the pricing wrong XD.

I hope it's that they are giving away 5850's.
by: Anonymous on 9/6/2009
If prices are that high, Ati would lose a great chance against nvidia. Most people just will wait until gt300 release and see what happens, so at this point there's no advantage at launching their stuff before them.

But if they set an aggressive price, most customers will just buy and forget about what nvidia is launching and Ati will cut that market share from their early launch. That means safe sales.

P.S Sorry for my English.
research? by: Anonymous on 9/3/2009
Look like the author needs to do some further research before placing the ATi HD5870 and 5850 as mid/low-end.

ATi HD5800 series are categorized as high-end, but in the high-end there are different tiers.

Tier 1 HD5870x2
Tier 2 HD5870
Tier 3 HD5850
by: Kakkoii on 9/2/2009
@The Anon who replied to me:

You didn't specify that. Here's a small quote from you:

"5850 is also rediculous for an entry level card."

Clearly that's implying that the 5850 is an entry level card, just in general. There's no context to imply that you mean entry-level of the 5800 series, instead of just the 5000 series.

Alright if English isn't your first language.. But if it is, then you need to go back to school.

Also, I wasn't just talking about you, but 2 other posters.

People need to stop using Anonymous as a name on here, makes it hard to target replies.
by: Anonymous on 9/2/2009
have the specs of the 5800 cards been released? because I was under the impression the NDA was still in effect
by: Anonymous on 9/2/2009
Anon, the poster referred to the 5850 an an entry level card, there is nothing entry-level about any of the 5800 series cards.

Kakkoii responded to what was written, maybe you should learn to read, then perhaps you wouldn't "failed to under the post".
by: Anonymous on 9/2/2009
Theo, you do realize theres not any DX11 content to justify charging a premium price at this time. Oh I suppose we should just close our eyes and open our wallets and "hope" someone delivers some DX11 games "eventually"? Truth is DX11 is a gamble at best, if its all about bragging rights, latest and best hardware, I humbly withdraw my epeen from that contest. I'll take "cheap and proven" over "expensive and potentially" any day. :)
by: Anonymous on 9/2/2009
Kakkoii, the 5850 is entry level of the 5800 series, 5870 mid level ect. seems you're the stupid one that failed to under the post
RE: Radeon 5800 by: Theo Valich on 9/2/2009
Dear readers, thanks for your comments.

But before flaming out on pricing, don't forget that ATI is launching TOP TO BOTTOM DirectX 11 line-up.

Having stated that, Radeon HD 5800 series is HIGH END line-up. Radeon HD 5700, 5600, 5500, 5400 series [5x30, 5x50, 5x70] are all planned with different chips, but that is not the topic of this story.

And for all readers criticizing pricing of these parts, my personal opinion is as follows: when a new DirectX generation comes out, you buy the high end version of that. It will give you top performance during the life of that API.
Owners of Radeon 9700Pro could have waited from 2002 until 2006 easily, owners of GeForce 8800 could replace their cards with GT300 or 5870 or even 5870X2 and they will enjoy performance in the next couple of years.

There is a British saying: "I am not rich enough to buy cheap stuff". In the world of PCs, that is not a saying, that's a fact.
If you save money, you'll never get the full experience. People that bought Dell 2405's in 2005 are enjoying their displays and 1080p+ resolution for the past four years, while progression from 17" LCD to 22" or 23" would not cost you as much, but chances are you don't have 1080p screen even today.

Thus, smart buy is always a good buy.

Ed.
not at those prices by: Anonymous on 9/2/2009
so just because a company has to make a profit means that you should pay whatever amount that they charge for their cards?i don't think so!count me out.
by: Kakkoii on 9/2/2009
Wow, there's some stupid commenter here lol.

5850 ISN'T ENTRY-LEVEL! And 5870 ISN'T MID-LEVEL!

All 58XX are HIGH END. These prices aren't ridiculous, especially taking into account the increased chip size. And ATI actually wanting to making a PROFIT!
by: Anonymous on 9/2/2009
great collation of rumors and leaks.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3967152&postcount=174

ATI/AMD seems to have done a great job of spinning this and making sure that there is lots of confusion between the $100-150 mid-range parts (Redwood/Juniper/Cedar RV810/RV830/RV840) and the $250-600 enthusiast parts (Cypress/Hemlock/Trillian RV870).
$300 5850 == vantage P16000 (4870x2 range)
by: Anonymous on 9/2/2009
Whoa AMD/ATI Implodes. 399.00 for the mid-level 5870, no freakin way. 299.00 for an 5850 is also rediculous for an entry level card. I just ordered new pc parts and only got a cheap placeholder card, as I was waiting for the 5800's. "Sighs" guess I'll bite the bullets an go with a 4800 series until these drop in price, hell I might even see what the green team has to offer now. I can live without dx11 for several more months, at least :) Way to aleinate your customer base Amd/Ati
$300 - To Much Money by: Anonymous on 9/2/2009
$300 for ATI's mid-range Dx11 GPU seem's a bit steep. I was hoping on tossing one of these HD5850's into my new build but now it seem's that wont happen. I may end up picking up an HD4890 or HD4870 instead. Both cards will drop in price once the HD5850 is released and I have a feeling many will enjoy purchasing the high-end 4000 series cards. I thought AMD understood the meaning of a recession. I got bill's to pay man and I gotta put food on my table. I cant eat a video card.
256-bit by: Anonymous on 9/2/2009
Nah, the RV870 is 256-bit, there are leaked pictures on Chiphell that clearly show 256-bit layout. There were some rumors about 384-bit or even 512-bit, but the leaked pics show 8 chips on the front, not 16 chips (512-bit is 16 times 32-bit).
bigger than R600? 512bit? by: Anonymous on 9/2/2009
if the R870 is bigger than the R600 could this mean that it actually is a 512bit memory bus chip after all? The chip carrier size usually has more to do with pin outs than die size.
by: MB on 9/2/2009
Whoops. Forgot a sentence. Second to last paragraph, before the last sentence, I meant to say:

rv830pro should be able to edge out any reason for a G92b, at an acceptable price and less power...AFAIK it doesn't have a six pin.

rv830xt could very well edge out any reason for a GT200, seeing how rv790 performs, and remember that there will be room to overclock the Rv830xt along the lines of rv740...there being a power connector and digi vrms.

One little 180mm, 12x15mm, die essentially killing off 2-4 gens, depending how you look at it, (finally)of nvidia's products.

That to me, is amusing.
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Cypress (870) will probably put up a good fight with the GTX295...

Can you smell AT LEAST a $100 price drop from nvidia on gt200 SKUs? I can.

At risk of sounding like a fanboy, when you start thinking about what these little cheap dies are giving you in context to nvidia's last generation with it's huge die, whoms performance we got for cheap because of pressure from the 4800 series after initially wanting your first-born child...It all really comes into context.

This is going to be a pretty awesome gen pretty fast...as soon as the prices stabilize...and really...is there any reason to upgrade before Dirt 2 in December/Jan?

Just things to think about.

Ok...Now I'll shut up. :)
by: MB on 9/2/2009
[MB=Long-ass post]

Is AMD/ATi miling it?

Yes and no.

Are they milking it? Yes...for once. Let's be honest: AMD needs some cash, as their CPUs sure aren't pulling it in. With the way D12U/G(T)300/GTX3xx seems to be coming along, I frankly would too if I were them.

OTOH, If you figure that RV830 (excuse my speculation and lack of tree name) will be ~50% of those specs and prices, effectively $129-149 and $179-199; rv770/rv790 with a 128-bit bus, it makes sense, as they should effectively replace the 4800 series along with a slightly higher core clock to compensate (and look good versus their predecessors in reviews), plus DX11 support at approx the same price. Yes, the bandwidth would be lower, but we all know it didn't really hurt the 4850.

If you figure the core clocks at 900 and 750mhz (the same % gap as the 4xxx series) this generation, it all sounds reasonable price-wise.

All in all, not surprising at all. Expect to get what you pay for versus the 4000 series but with free dx11 sprinkles.

Then, it's become predictable, prices will drop 1/4 over time or if/when nvidia is competitive. You know how it goes...after the sheen wears off.

What's interesting: G92b (pick your fav [re]brand) in this scenario couldn't even compete with rv830pro. They'll probably end up around the same price too. That's kind of funny...and kind of sad.

For those complaining: I bet the 1/4 cut comes before Christmas...meaning more-or-less 4xxx series original prices. Also, remember that not only will the rv830 raise the bottom denominator a notch so previous 48xx owners can expect better games that will still run decently on their systems, OpenCL/Compute shader will certainly, before the end of this gens usefullness, start to change how we use our OSes and Apps outside of gaming. Yes, nvidia supports the functions now, and rv830 won't make enthusiasts go nuts...but all-around, this generation is going to be good for the average consumer me-thinks. Finally, another '9600gt/8800gt/7600gt/6600gt.', and with dx11 to boot.

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too high for me by: Anonymous on 9/2/2009
$300 for the cheapest card? too rich for my blood.good luck to anyone else planing to buy any of those cards.this is the final nail in the coffin for me to ever plan on playing a PC game again.
by: Anonymous on 9/2/2009

599 for the 5870x2 and 399 for the single 399??? This seems like Nvidia prices... Are they expecting to milk the consumer until Nvidia release their cards ?...
Better to wait for the green team to release their products and then buy the bst one...(and hope for some cool DX11 titles...)
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