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by: Anonymous on 2/1/2010
Oh my God!

Where's this so-called Fermi?

Up until now, just crap, happy-talking.

If you want to buy one HD 5870, it's in store, right now, go to your favorite retail store and buy it.

And Fermi?

Pity on these poor nVidia fans. They think Fermi is the fastest card on Earth. Maybe they're right, because Fermi is the fastest card on Earth, i.e. on paper, or at least, on the web-pages.

Pity!

Delusional!
What a hoot by: Anonymous on 1/22/2010
I am consistently disappointed by the massive amount of politically correct and mind warped ati fanboy lying and catcalling and denouncing all over the internet.
I simply wonder how they ever got themselves to the twisted and deranged point they currently occupy.
I see right through their many mistruths and seemingly endless stream of FUD bashes and contradictory wailings and misgiven predictions that turn out woefully incorrect.
I find that even with the current benches delivered at CES and the writing on the wall, they will not back off, and make further false claims and foolish fanboy mispredictions, that no doubt will wind up egging their faces terribly soon enough. I have full faith too, that when that occurs, embarrassment and blushing will near instantly turn to denial with more vulgar and obviously contemptible fibs issued.
It's so bad, that just this morning, I was absolutely shocked once again, when at that famous AT site the inevitable AMD ATI Q4 earnings release article blog appeared right on fanboy schedule, and even though the author had included a simple chart that showed without the Intel bailout, the loss for the year was 938 million, and mentioned only a 99 million dollar portion attributable to GF, he dove down into self deception and declared the GF burden to be the biggest problem and then later declared the other 839 million dollars in losses "a profit" for the cpu division and the ATI gpu division. This was, of course, after pointing out, to be fair, and a not a red rooster fan boy, he would cite GAAP booked numbers, not the spun, non general accounting principles numbers.
It was absolutely STUNNING to me.
I conclude it is something like an addict or an alcoholic, whereby denial actually controls the thought processes of the mind, and makes simple math impossible for someone adept enough to run hundreds of benchmarks and post corresponding numbered charts and analysis.
It is absolutely incredible.
I say all this, to point out, that it is already beyond obvious, and there is absolutely no doubt, that Fermi will be what the benchmarks have revealed, even if many say otherwise, believe otherwise, or are certain they are uncertain. It is an awesome chip and video card that blows away the 5870 at the 30% to 80% level, even in it's less than fully SP achieved version to be released.
There comes a point in time where the evidence, by way of life experience, can no longer be reasonably denied, and we have passed that point in time fellow enthusiasts.
More CowBell by: Anonymous on 1/21/2010
Without viable specs/benchmarks, this is just another power point presentation.
RE: Pixel Rate by: Theo Valich on 1/20/2010
I am just reporting what nVidia said they need. For recommended 3D effect, they need to render 120 fps instead of previous 60 fps goal in games.

Thus, they're using two GF100 cards to ensure 60 fps x2 gets rendered on three screens.

Ed.
Die Size by: Anonymous on 1/19/2010
hi theo,
i check some another respective & trusted website and none mention the die size BUT you, well done(???)!
time would tell the truth
Bad math by: Anonymous on 1/19/2010
It is physically impossible to fit 130 570mm2 dies on a 300mm wafer
Wrong pixel rate by: Anonymous on 1/18/2010
3d on nvidia does not need the pixels to update at 120hz as indicated in the article. The monitors need to switch left & right views at 120hz to prevent eye strain. You can have a slow game frame rate and still have 120hz out of the monitors. Just commenting.
by: tony v on 1/18/2010
Good article and explanation on the situation. Thanks Theo.
Ferm...who? by: Anonymous on 1/18/2010
I was going to buy this in November, when it was meant to come out. Instead i bought two 5850's (£400). Judging by the dollar price, these would be 500 UK pound cards? (we get ripped off royally).
I dont think even i would go that far. The justifiaction isnt there. If a single 5850 gives excellent frame rates at 24" res and my x-fire does superbly. It would only be in the market for the uber enthusiast.
I dont know. I knew Fermi would be good - I just didnt want to wait for it so ATI got my cash...
130 fermi on a wafer? by: Anonymous on 1/18/2010
you say in your article that "nVidia was able to fit 130 chips on a single 300mm2 wafer" but the total area of the wafer is only 70685.83...mm2 divide that by the " die size of around 570 mm2" and with no wasted space you only get 124 chips. chips are square on a round wafer, so I don't see that being remotely close to possible. the rest of the article was quite interesting though. I look forward to the day they finally get it out the door, so i can get my 5870 cheaper.....
Intel got NVIDIA into this mess by: Anonymous on 1/18/2010
Intel got NVIDIA into this whole Fermi mess. Intel over hyped Larrabee. NVIDIA bought the hypes. JHH was "going to open a can of whoop ass" in response. Fermi is that "can of whoop ass", but unfortunately, it is closely following the same steps as Larrabee -- Many delays and not living up to the hypes.

I believe both NVIDIA and Intel will recover from their mishaps and be competitive again in GPU but it will take time (and ATI is not standing still). Larrabee and Fermi are good research chips and good software development platforms but are far from being viable, competitive GPU products. I'm surprised that NVIDIA did not have a plan B for Fermi considering GPU is their bread and butter business.
28nm by: Anonymous on 1/18/2010
http://www.tsmc.com/tsmcdotcom/PRListingNewsArchivesAction.do?action=detail&newsid=3041&language=E

From a 2008 Press Release

They expect initial production to begin in Q1 2010.

in May 2009

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/13829/35/

TSMC said 28nm still on track for 2010...

August 2009
http://www.tgdaily.com/hardware-features/43732-tsmcs-28nm-process-on-track

All say production level shipments to be available at the end of Q1 2010.

I suppose that answers the question about who will have 28nm ready in 2010...
by: Anonymous on 1/18/2010
On the first page "Tesla 2" is surely "Tegra 2"?

I hope that NVIDIA can get yields over 40% if only for the sake of there being competition in the market. They've taken a large step, and they've been burnt by doing a huge chip on a new process.

Tegra 2 is presumably the chip getting 70%+ yields on TSMC's 40nm process? Not a surprise because of its small die size.

Redwood and Cedar aren't too much bigger, so they'll have excellent yields as well. NVIDIA's cut-down variants aren't even on any official roadmap!

And as for the rest - it's all NVIDIA PR, so take with a grain or fistful of salt.
"We do expect to see the move down to 32 or 28nm during 2010" by: Anonymous on 1/18/2010
Yeah, which foundry exactly is it that is still even developing a 32nm process? Or has their 28nm process ready for 2010 production? Cause it sure isn't TSMC or GlobalFoundries.

I love how NVIDIA releases a new PR slide deck to all the Internet news sites every 3 months to try to remind people that they actually are working on something new. I think I'll wait for March when the card is actually launched and some useful information such as performance numbers or power draw come out.
mistake in text by: Anonymous on 1/18/2010
The slide where NVIDIA has run the Unigine benchmark the other card they've tested against is the 5870 (it says so on the side), and NOT the 5970 as it says in your text. Which kinda suggests that the 5970 will be faster than the fermi card. Also, compared to other benchmarks of the same engine, NVIDIAs avg framerates for the ATI 5870 card seem to be too low by quite a bit.
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