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satire equals funny truth by: Anonymous on 2/19/2010
even being an AMD fan I find this list of questions quite a bit silly and, actually, making an article out of that is in the same league. But whatever, I just wanted to highlight the fact that so far the "satire website" has been absolutely right on everything about fermi. So your remark just looks childish and unprofessional.
It's gonna be a tough game for nVidia this round. Thankfully, they've got enough income from their whole range of products, not just graphics, so they won't go belly up. But they deserve a slap in their face
wow reaction fail by: Anonymous on 2/17/2010
the source is explained, if any of u reading were unable to differentiate between opinion and fact u could always use a thing called the internet to check before spilling bile over this site, i was nvidia fan but have recently purchased the 5870 i am happy with my purchase, it pisses over any nvidia product i have ever purchased regardless of how much i have spent.


everyone should calm down and sound less like u may be about to run to your mum and cry about what the bad man said (or woman)
Nvidia postpone Fermi to winter 2010 by: Anonymous on 2/15/2010
Nvidia postpone Fermi reveal to winter 2010 ,so Nboodia fan be patient.
LOL by: Anonymous on 2/15/2010
It appears near all the ati/amd fanboi responders have taken on a guilty tone (or just resumed their smart alecky yapping points) and have cried and whined about how pathetic their infantile talking points actually are.
I'd give the ati fabois a bit of credit if their loser company hadn't been burning through over a billion-2 bilion in losses every year for the last 3+ years in a row.
I find it absolutely hilarious how the little crying billions in the red near the brink of disaster and bankruptcy shutdown L O S E R red rooster fanbois shriek and scream about the competition that kicks their butts every single year in a row.
If red roosters really want ati to be a viable company, not a bleeding red in the hole on the brink of bankruptcy and collapse, hyper psychotic crashing gray lined screen piece of end user hassles and junk ghetto cheapo products with a slashed to the bone enar non existent drivers team, they ought to pay 2X the amount they've been paying for their crap cards that barely scrape a nickel below the profitable and highly adept and multi-applicable superior products from Nvidia.
If you are at all in the loop, there is even more bad news coming for the ati red roosters - we've seen the DX11 Fermi benchmarks - and THEY KICK THE CRAP OUT OF THE CRIPPLING, CRAWLING, FRAMERATE STALLING PIECES OF DX11 JUNK ATI has released!
ROFLMAO
Nvidia has PREOWND' you loser red rooster fans, and deep down inside all you cheap loser crybabies know it !
Thanks for the article that points out how PATHETIC the crybaby whining red rooster losers really are.
this is ridiculous by: Anonymous on 2/15/2010
amd is an arab company and so we are funding terrorists if we buy their products? wow, you aint paranoid.

more importantly bsn... this is pretty disapointing that you are running a story like this. You prefaced each question with "AMD" not "AMD community" which despite you clarifing this in the article is still at least a little deceiving.
I'm just surprised you ran these questions without any responses and only your snide remarks added to the bottom of some of these.
I'm sure you don't really care but you just lost a reader.
RE: Neliz by: Theo Valich on 2/15/2010
The list of questions was given to us by AMD. The list also includes links to Rage3D and several other forums.

Ed.
wtf by: neliz on 2/14/2010
did someone just copy my B3D posts and made an article about it?
Inaccuracies clairification by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
The Vista+7 32-bit driver pack is 52MB, 45 for XP. The most recent hydravision pack is indeed 28MB, but there is an older one that is 10MB so thus some confusion. The 64bit driver packs are indeed 70MB.

This is still a moot argument though. I don't think driver download size is an issue for most users. Unless of course you are on dialup, but if thats the case you have much bigger issues.
Inaccuracies by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
I'd like to point out that the Catalyst 10.1 download is 45MB for the full package. And Hydravision (10MB) isn't necessary to take advantage of multi-monitor setups, just adds some extra features (I never installed it, running 2 monitors fine on my 4850).

http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=xp/radeonx-xp

http://ati.amd.com/products/hydravision/index.html
Hey, it's bidness! by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
So Theo is the Sarah Palin of tech blogs ... hey, it's bidness!

What she does work$ for her, logic and facts need not apply, and what Theo does here work$ on the same basis, what with all them there clicks and commenty thingies.

Hard not to check in and see what new logic arserape has been committed by him, isn't it?
@Anshel Sag by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
Yeah I read the whole thing- the NV partners asking about some of these things was just thrown in as a token.

The article title begins "AMD community..." - All of the questions begin "AMD:" - if these questions are coming from all around then why not make it look less like an AMD narrative? This is what I meant when I asked why it appears that these questions are from the AMD camp.

At least these concerns are getting light, but this isn't what I'd call investigative journalism.
@ someone has to ask... by: Anshel Sag on 2/11/2010
Actually, if you read the entire thing you'll notice that we mentioned that even some Nvidia partners... that means people on the NV side of things were asking similar questions. So no, we're not implying that only AMD people are asking these questions... that's simply the people who posed the entire list of these questions to us.

@Dude the article sucked...

You have the right to express your opinion about the article but none of these questions were written by us. So immediately say that we wrote them and then commented on them in a biased manner is an untruth in of itself.
Someone has to ask... by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
As far as I know, these are all valid questions to be asking nVidia, so why are they implied that they're only coming from the AMD camp? nVidia fans should be asking these questions just as much as the other guys. If all the AMD fanboys are only going to ever buy AMD they why do they care how much Fermi fails or succeeds? nVidia fans should be mad and asking the questions as to why they are going to spend most of 2010 without an affordable DX11 solution from NV.
Dude the Article Sucked!! by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
You appear to be NVidia fan boys. That’s a fact. The article is stupid. Where’s this AMD Community of whom you speaketh? As a member of the AMD Community I have only 1 question... Where is Fermi? So basically you made up some silly question, as well as some ridiculous answers that shows your bias, and you have the nerve to try an defend it? Are you freaking kidding me? Please don’t do anymore fake articles about NVidia or what AMD fans thinks of NVidia until you actually have a Fermi to benchmark, then get back to us. Thank you.
To those... by: Anshel Sag on 2/11/2010
Who accuse us of being an NV mouthpiece...

Needless to say, if you noticed, we didn't answer most of those questions. Heck, we didn't really answer any... we simply addressed the validity of the questions or the hypocrisy of it. We are sure nvidia is aware of these questions and may even be in the process of writing a response if they deem it necessary... but nevertheless we simply challenged the validity of some of these questions. Some are good, some are pointless, and some are completely immature.
Idiots? by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
Until NVdia can produce Fermi, and not just a paper launch, you Nvdia fanboys really should sit down and shut up!!!!!! lol
by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
[s]As far as AMD Cypress goes, we have an interesting story coming... the problems related to Cypress aren't the same as nVidia has them, but it causes yields to go down. And yes, we know what's wrong.[/s]

Must be as good as your FUD related to the Yields of Fermi HA HA HA.
Silly Rabbits by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
nVIDIA dominates the desktop.
ATi had the mobile...

Then came Optimus. (No, not Optimus Prime)
Fermi come in autumn 2010 by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
I suggest Nvidia fan to still wait and be patient.
More Idiots... by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
All you guys knocking nVIDIA for not having GF100 out now... Get over yourselves. ATi was the paper launch king back in the 9000 series days and the two generations following. ATi takes a whole month to release the next driver, and even after that, they still need hotfixes. nVIDIA releases drivers much more often. Yes, I'm including the betas. You think every piece of new hardware gets released on time? So ATi has DX11 cards first, so what. nVIDIA put way more into GF100 to make it current with Direct Computer, OpenCL, and DX11. That's right, hardware to improve DX11 performance. How can you idiots forget nVIDIA has been the graphics king for consecutive years. Even now you havent "won", because GF100 isn't out yet. If I sound fanboyish, don't confuse that with truth and my lack of tolerance for comments that are backed by bullcaca. It's the entry level cards that bring in the most cash, and nVIDIA sold a FUCK LOAD of em, and they didn't need to be DX11. Have you seen any articles with headlines like, "Consumers Get Impatient Waiting for GF100." Didn't think so.

You guys need to read and retain more before you click comment buttons.
by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
to taliban anti terrorist idiot:

too bad they havent shoot u in this empty heat.
would be nice 'pop'.


all yours terririst threat u should root out in your fucking shitty lame country : usa
the origin country of all terroristic bullshit!

amd and talibans... this maked my day... really... LOL!
Taliban? by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
I think if AMD was owned by the Taliban, I trust the government to protect us from such a threat. That said if you're so paranoid about Taliban influence, and funding the arabs... I think oil from the middle east is far more of a problem... lets all stop buying gasoline because we're supporting the Taliban....lol

Oh let me take my prozac today almost forgot and put on my tinfoil hat.
keep buy amd and support Terrorists by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
when are you people going to wake up AMD is funded by an arab company and were saved from bankruptcy and thay fund the taliban also people buy and support anything that doesnt fund the taliban and when you buy AMD now you are giving money to the taliban.

WAKE UP PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!!!!!!

PS two years ago I was fighting over in afgan and I can tell you first had how bad it is.
Garbage article by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
Nuff said.
by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
"BSN*: This is quite an interesting question, given that that story was coming from satire website. In any case, Cypress has the same issue, given the mountain of Cypress wafers at TSMC - those chips can't even hit 5850 speeds. But hey, don't shoot the messenger."

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17612/1/
http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/18452

The new rumours and product listings of HD 5830 don't apppear to jive with this comment. A product such as this is usually a "sweeper" SKU to downbin all the stuff left over - reports are that 5830 is clock *higher* than 5850 (750-800MHz) which doesn't scream speed grade fallouts.

"BSN*: Seriously? How about AMD coming clean about the real launch quantities of Radeon 5870 and 5850 at launch date"

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20091214130653_Over_800_Thousand_of_DirectX_11_Graphics_Chips_Shipped_ATI.html

They already stated 300K by December 14. Is that bad for $300-$400 graphics??

"As far as information that we have goes, ask yourselves: AMD sold two million Evergreen ASICs in end of 3Q and whole of 4Q... how come that business division scored a spectacular 50 million dollar shortfall?"

How do you calculate a shortfall? The product division earning are broken out:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AMD-Reports-Fourth-Quarter-bw-4252946681.html?x=0&.v=1

See towards the bottom - the graphics business had an oprating *income* for $53M on $427M revenue (if it were in brackets it would be a loss).
by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
Putting "AMD" instead of "AMD User Community" as the questioneer gives the impression the company AMD/ATI is asking you the questions about Nvidia.
when you can't.... by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
When you can't report any real news, due to a lack of credible sources, due to a lack of investigative journalism, or just to a lack of initiative: there is always the lazy way out:
SENSATIONALISM.....FTL...
Was this just a setup for the BSN talking points? by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
First of all B3D an AMD Fansite? WTF Theo, you know better than that !!

Second, why is BSN answering these questions, or are they now the mouthpiece for nV?

The comment on launch volumes for the HD5870 is pretty funny in light of the fact that they have sold cards, and even by biased Fuad's estimate sold over 100,000 in the first month. That's a pretty usual launch volume, do you expect there to be 100,000 GF100 Fermi products in the first month of their launch.
Also technically hasn't the GF100/Fermi already paper-launched if you want to get snippy about volume. They launched in October to try and affect ATi sales, re-launched in January to try and affect sales again once TSMC production had improved, and then will launch again hopefully in March, without the TSMC issues to blame.

If you're going to be critical of HD5870 launch volumes in defending the possiblity of no volume for the Fermi launch, at least be realistic about the ongoing paper launch nature of the GF100 whose only purpose is to chum the water with FUD and make people hold off on buying something until the nV answer comes out. This is exactly like the FX situation that promised a beast and delivered a dog.

As for PhysX the answer is simple, get a cheap nV card, hack the drivers and play, that nV is trying to block people who bought a PPU or a GPU for the purpose just shows how serious they are about sharing that they are willing to $crew over their own customers to try and punish a competitor.
To AMD/ATI by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
Congratulations on the subsidy of Ontario state.
Congratulations on the ransom of Intel.
Congratulations on the contribution of Abu Dhabi.
Where's Fermi? by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
Until Fermi is released NVidia is irrelevant!!!
Um... by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
AMD Fanboys have 29 tough GF100 questions for nVIDIA.
Bias by: Theo Valich on 2/10/2010
It is good when we're being accused of being AMD biased when two weeks ago, one of our team members was implied to have a sexual intercourse with Jen-Hsun, now we're AMD biased.

Thus, we're exactly where we are supposed to be. In the middle and non-biased. If you're not able to understand or handle that, your loss.

As far as information that we have goes, ask yourselves: AMD sold two million Evergreen ASICs in end of 3Q and whole of 4Q... how come that business division scored a spectacular 50 million dollar shortfall?

If you have a winning product, then you earn money. If you don't have a winning product, or have a winning product with a stock filled of semi-functional wafers, then you'll post a loss.

As far as AMD Cypress goes, we have an interesting story coming... the problems related to Cypress aren't the same as nVidia ones, but it caused yields to go down. And yes, we know what's wrong.

Ed.
Bias by: Theo Valich on 2/10/2010
It is good when we're being accused of being AMD biased when two weeks ago, one of our team members was implied to have a sexual intercourse with Jen-Hsun, now we're AMD biased.

Thus, we're exactly where we are supposed to be. In the middle and non-biased. If you're not able to understand or handle that, your loss.

As far as information that we have goes, ask yourselves: AMD sold two million Evergreen ASICs in end of 3Q and whole of 4Q... how come that business division scored a spectacular 50 million dollar shortfall?

If you have a winning product, then you earn money. If you don't have a winning product, or have a winning product with a stock filled of semi-functional wafers, then you'll post a loss.

As far as AMD Cypress goes, we have an interesting story coming... the problems related to Cypress aren't the same as nVidia has them, but it causes yields to go down. And yes, we know what's wrong.

Ed.
by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
Jesus theo, how much they pay you to keep spreading this kind of FUD?
Almost feels like you are about to marry Nvidia's CEO.
Pure FUD by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
Since when does Fanbois FUD become headline news.

Theo take the purely FUD piece off of your site.
Dumb vs. Dumber by: Radu M. Cosma on 2/10/2010
In question no. 3 they ask why are GF100 yields so low, and afterwards there are at least 2 questions as to why were GF100 cards delayed...
Can you say "fan-boy are s...illy"? I understand people who stick with one manufacturer for any given reason, but stepping into the realm of nonsense and foolishness just to bash the other side is more than immature (there's another word that starts with an "i"). And I'm not only talking about AMD guys, nVidia fans are just as bad.

The worst part is that BSN caved in this never-ending "war" and is now one step of being no better than fan-buys. Sorry, but that's the truth.
The professional way to handle this was to step back and let nVidia answer all questions, maybe even publish the whole thing only after you got the answers.
by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
BSN has retarded comments. Yeah, I said it now lets see if you have the balls to allow this comment to stay.

BSN should have at least tried to cite some of the things they said (like half cypress not being able to run at 5850 speed). AFAIK this is untrue or at least unproven. Oh well, off to the better review sites!
by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
You're taking an awfully defensive stance Theo, especially when you try to imply that cypress(now available) is suffering from the same problems as Fermi(still unavailable).

Too defensive. Did you just adopt Jensen as your new little brother?

I agree with other comments like #5 and #6, these petty jabs couldn't possibly have been written by the same guy who did such a thorough article like the BatmanGate one.
Attribution Fail by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
Why are you attributing web forums questions / posts to AMD?
WOW! by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
I see only 5 anonymous ATI funboys! Uf, if you only had my expirience with 3 dead 4870 in less then mounth!
You people are worse than that "Satire Site" ... by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
I'm not going to bother addressing most of the nVidia propaganda that's masquerading as a "BSN* Comment", but there's one misrepresentation I won't let go:

"A very interesting comment indeed, especially after AMD locked out a run-around that enabled PhysX-wrapper running on Radeon 3000 and 4000 series cards - back in August 2008."

Let's take a close look at that statement.

1) According to a BSN story on 7/15/2009, "The reason for that is simple: Summer 2008 saw the arrival of PhysX Wrapper for ATI cards. Even though both companies claimed that they will support Eran from NGOHQ and his team, the truth was that the PhysX wrapper was blocked with the next version of Catalyst drivers [according to Eran]" Quoted from http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/7/15/how-asus-notebook-snafu-caused-a-war-of-words-between-amd-and-nvidia.aspx.

2) That "Eran" would be Eran Badit of ngohq.com.

3) Eran's last post at ngohq.com re the PhysX wrapper was on July 3, 2008. (http://www.ngohq.com/news/14254-physx-gpu-acceleration-on-radeon-update.html).

4) Note that Eran edited the post on July 8, 2008. What happened on July 8, 2008? Eran JOINED THE NVIDIA DEVELOPER PROGRAM, accompanied by lots of gushing praise from Ron Taylor and Derek Perez.

So with all of the facts on the table - facts you have no excuse for not knowing - you expect us to believe that:
1) Nvidia was going to enthusiatically help Eran finish the Radeon PhysX wrapper - a wrapper that would allow faster PhysX on Radeons than GeForces
2) AMD took the effort to modify Catalyst drivers in order to block a piece of vaporware from working
3) The same Nvidia that was ALLEGEDLY enthusiatic to support a Radeon PhysX wrapper is the same Nvidia that has ACTUALLY blocked users from running a GeForce card as a PhysX processor alongside a Radeon primary display card, IOW ...
4) Nvidia would have rather given away a Radeon wrapper than sold a physical GeForce card.

And you guys wonder why people make comments about the proximitiy of your heads to Jen-Hsun's posterior.
Wanted to delete it from my booksmarks anyways by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
What is this ? Your Comments on the questions are very unprofessional. This site has been boring me for quite while now and I'm glad I finally decided to delete it from my bookmarks.
Beyond3D is ATI fansite? by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
Since when?

I thought Beyond3D was impartial, seeing as they dissect all 3D architectures with equal vigor.

Yes, they have had the guts to call nVidias underhanded moves in the past, but that's just consumer protection.

What I have gathered though is that BSN seems to become nVidias mouthpiece more and more. Once in a while we see some indication of impartiality like the excellent Batmangate article, but lately you guys have been way too easy on nVidia. All those 29 questions should have been asked by YOU.
Ohh come on! Total BS! by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
How could you missed the 30th and most important question?

AMD: When will you grow up, Theo?
# 1 Question from AMD Community by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
Where is Fermi?
Sad day for BSN by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
Ton of inaccuracies in the answers from BSN. A clear showing of either extreme bias, or a total disregard for the truth. Very disappointing.
Old News, old questions by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
Some of these questions were already answered at CES so why are you asking them again other than being ATI fanboy driven
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