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RE: Business... by: Theo Valich on 2/20/2010
Business is a four dimension thing, and often we write with that in mind and putting our long-term perspective into the story.

We're not siding with anyone, AMD nor nVidia nor Intel. We're siding with consumers, with you - our readers, even if we get attacked for it.

To us, Fermi is another NV30. And when we write that, there are two aspects: one was a commercial failure as a stand-alone product and another one was a revolution that created NV40, NV45, NV47 and RSX i.e. 6700, 7800, 7900 and PlayStation 3 chip. Can you say that NV30 was actually nVidia's second best-selling architecture of all times and that the success of what begun with NV30 bought enough peace to create G80/NV50 who are the best selling chips nV has ever made.

Thus,to us Fermi is a completely new architecture. This is not taking AMD in regards, this is only looking at the Fermi architecture. Fermi is "fucking hard to make", as Ujesh has put it, and it is not good to see anyone having problems - ATI with five-month delay on R520 Fudo i.e. X1800 or a massive nine month delay with R600 i.e. 2900XT.

Fermi as an architecture is the path forward, just like AMD's Northern Islands. AMD needed 2900XT to happen to "reboot" the company and bring the house in order, and the company executed near-perfectly with subsequent R700 and R800/Evergreen, essentially repeating what nV did with NV30-NV40-NV45-NV47-RSX [and what they did with Xenos-R520-R580].

When both companies make a revolutionary architecture, it is a base for next couple of years. Thus, GTX 470 / 480 are the same as other heavy hitters: proof of concept that gets a "cash out" with second and third generation.

This model will change for both nVidia and AMD, since they're bringing Tesla and FireStream into the mix.

Long-term, Xeon-Core and Opteron-Phenom cadence will rule in the GPU world as well. Without Quadro and now Tesla, these GPUs would cost just like Pentium 100 in 1995 - I paid $1000 for mine.

nV wants Tesla business but that does not mean gamers will be shunned. Same thing with ATI and Fusion CPU. It won't be the end of ATI/AMD as a gaming GPU company, they will simply co-exist.

Too much time is spent on polarizing between the two companies, putting them as goodies and the baddies. In reality, there is no such thing. Both companies did a lot of bad moves in the past and react to markets as time goes by. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong.

One thing is certain though. We'll be covering all of them, regardless of making good or bad moves.

BTW, when you read this comment, it will be on new servers. Hoping the switch won't go awry.

Ed.
What Performance? by: Anonymous on 2/20/2010
"...show significant performance advantages for fermi over the 5850/5870 cards."

The only info thus far released has been suspect, including and most definitely showcasing this is the 'unigine' benchmark snippet. The score there that beat the 5 series hands down was from a single section, not the whole run - you need to ask, why not? A partial benchmark is dubious and invalid as proof of tech.

Some analysts are pointing out that the engine that runs tesselation also runs the other gfx processes, therefore when shaders are heavily required, tesselation will suffer (it's a shared resource, therefore when both are tested, performance will nose dive).

Also the 5850, should not be compared to Fermi. The 5850 is the little brother card and only costs about £215. You cannot compare Fermi's upcoming cost with that. And i suppose to emphasise that point- it's a cost analysis. If Fermi hits the 600 mark, it needs to outperform the 5970. If it hits the 350-400 mark it has to outgun the 5870 convincingly.

One thing is for sure, despite it's power, it cannot wipe the floor with the competitors as it wont sell in enough bulk to qualify it as anything other than as i said earlier, a phallic symbol. And it'll be firing blanks.
by: Anonymous on 2/20/2010
It would be atleast slightly surprising if they did launch on Monday or on March 1.

But ive lost my faith in the Nvidia company to produce anything real right now.

Does anyone remember if the NV DX11 was supposed to be out in the summer of 2009 ??

I know it was November or something, but the talk before that was for a Summer launch wasn't it ??
Another Paper Launch by: Anonymous on 2/19/2010
Just another paper launch, nothing to see here folks. March 29th release, but doubtful we see more than a handful before June/July
by: Anonymous on 2/19/2010
blah blah blah wheres some 3Dmark results

seeing is believing unless your a muppet
I will wait for the reviews!!! by: Anonymous on 2/19/2010
Competition is always good but I will have to see the results. I can almost bet it will be more than ATI cards as Nvidia cards always have a premium. I am still running my old 8800GTX waiting for a game to tax it!!!! So far I see none out there. With that said my next card will be an ATI, unless Nvidia can match the price of the 5 series ATI cards, I doubt that though.
by: tony v on 2/19/2010
Theo it's highly possible that nvidia may try to do something more than just a die shrink with Fermi. The last time they had a chip this big, the G80 aka 8800GTX, they were able to significantly shrink down, retool, massively reduce the cost, and get 95% of the performance in what became the G92 8800GT - one of the best selling cards of all time.
by: tony v on 2/19/2010
My expectations are that DX10 games will show a moderate increase over ATI's hardware, whereas DX11 games that utilize tessellation and games that are geometry heavy will show significant performance advantages for fermi over the 5850/5870 cards.
by: Anonymous on 2/19/2010
Probably gonna be $600+ :(
RE: Is this an Apple Product? by: Anonymous on 2/19/2010
Faster then the 5870 for sure, but faster than the 5970 hard to believe. I think it will be somewhere between those two. Now what will the price be. We know there is a yield issue, and the chip itself is 50-60% bigger, so it won't be cheap. By the time Fermi will be out in decent numbers ATI will have the refresh of the 5000 series, and who knows what ATI is planing for that. Maybe a 5890 and 5990? Not just overclocked but more SP units as well to compete with singe GPU Fermi?

We will see, lets just hope Fermi brings the price of 5000 cards down.
Is this an Apple Product? by: Anonymous on 2/19/2010
There has been so much hype without any real substance that this is becoming akin to a Steve Jobs evangelical hoodwink.
Launching your Next Gen gfx card 5 months after the competition ought to be done with a frickin apology.
IT'S 5 MONTHS LATE!!!
And assuming it beats the 5870 (very likely) or even the 5970 (possible) its not going to be more practical. Yes, i think the limited number they can produce at TSMC will allow them to recapture the crown but it's a redundant crown now.
We can get a bazillion fps on our cards now. Graphical effects are taking a backseat to gameplay and story. So a Fermi based monster is just cock waving.
Yes, NV fans (stop saying fanboi's - it's grossly inflammatory) will be happy but the fastest card on the planet 5 months late doesnt win any prizes.
Unless it's £300.
And i'll eat my own poop if it's anywhere near affordable.
Nvidia may have the fastest car but it crossed the finish line late because it stalled umpteen times on the start line.

Pfft.
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