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UPDATE #1: EVGA, where did your lifetime warranty go?



Ever since premium service vendors appeared on the IT market, one of main selling point was the level of service. When vendors such as Corsair, BFG, EVGA, OCZ appeared and offered lifetime warranty and excellent end-user support, most of our Taiwanese sources started to disclose their business models and claimed that operations such as EVGA cannot succeed due to low margins.

More than half a decade later, EVGA turned into quite a large operation, and with acquisition of EPoX engineering team the company started to produce brilliant motherboards as well. Recently, the company launched several engineering projects of their own, such as Classified motherboards and graphics cards [GTX285 Classified can take up to 600W of power] or GTX 275 Co-Op and there was no telling that we were impressed with the level of commitment.

EVGA Warranty - No Longer is the Lifetime "the only option"
EVGA Warranty - No Longer is the Lifetime "the only option"

Personally, I had the most fun talking to Tier 3 motherboard vendors when EVGA entered the world of non-nVidia-chipset market. The feeling of light panic was in all of my sources eyes, who asked how they can expect to succeed. My default approach is to analyze the past of all the companies involved in the market and see where their strengths are. For instance, EVGA could always command a price premium and customers would buy them due to combination of solid product, multiple SKU [Stock Keeping Units] based on a single product that passed additional testing, top-of-the-line warranty and customer service second to none. Personally, I worked with EVGA Europe ever since their inception and saw them growing to stratospheric levels of revenue, just as was in the past with Hercules and Gainward. The key to success in Europe was the fact that EVGA's European operation was former Hercules and Gainward team [remember Golden Sample and H2O series or even back further, Hercules re-entry into graphics with nVidia cards?] lead by Hans Wolfram Tismer from operational side, Andreas and Aline handling sales and Peter Tersluisen from technical side [guilty party for Black Perl series].

But at the same time, we have noticed something odd is happening. In the past few months, EVGA started to introduce more and more products that do not carry lifetime warranties. Naturally, there are two sides to this story - from one, the conclusion would be that EVGA is getting rid of their lifetime warranties while the other side could be that these products were merely EVGA trying to push its products on those who do not care for lifetime warranties and would rather have inexpensive products rather than a lifetime warranty.

Slowly but surely, we believe that those who thought the lifetime warranty was going away are beginning to become right. Here is a recent breakdown of EVGA’s most recent products:
  • GT 240 - 2 years
  • GTX 275 CO-OP - 2 years
  • GT 210 and 220 - 2 years (yes this is a mainstream part, we can expect that to happen)
  • Entire P55 Lineup (6 different boards) - 3 years
  • GTX 285 Classified - 2 years
Now, the interesting part about the minimum warranty is the fact that EVGA US may claim that they offer "double the standard warranty." But in the European Union, manufacturers have to offer two year warranty by law, just like they can't offer lifetime warranty [EVGA, Corsair and others offered 10 year warranty instead]. In any case, all of the recently introduced EVGA's products carry a minimum warranty, which confirms the claims of Taiwanese manufacturers - EVGA cannot keep up the warranty scheme. A business model that worked for a decade obviously isn't working anymore, even though - how come remaining premium vendors are still in the business?

Most people associate EVGA with their lifetime/10-year warranty and the step-up program. Asking almost anyone who is familiar with the brand and they will associate EVGA with their lifetime warranty and their customer service. Now, if they let their lifetime warranty slip, who's to say they won't or aren't letting their customer service slip too? We heard rumors that EVGA might be letting the step-up program go as well but given the origin of those sources [competing manufacturers], we aren't inclined to believe that is going on. We contacted our regular contacts at EVGA but are yet to receive an answer.

The last product to be released by EVGA that carried a lifetime warranty appears to be the X58 SLI 4-Way SLI motherboard, which needless to say is not a board that we’d expect them to sell many of considering the $500 price point and lack of availability up until recently. While we understand that some products may have limited production runs, and that the warranty may reflect that… There is still reason to grant a lifetime warranty if EVGA really wanted to as there have been limited run products in the past.


Update #1 November 21, 2009 02:16AM GMT - We received comment from Jacob Freeman and Joe Darwin of EVGA US office, and we're running their statement in full:
"We recently noticed your article about EVGA Warranty and Step-up and would like to make a few points:
  1. EVGA pioneered the Step-up™ program and even trademarked the term; this will definitely be ongoing and will continue to be a service that EVGA offers.
  2. Limited Lifetime Warranty is still an option on many EVGA products.
  3. You will continue to see Limited Lifetime Warranty on many EVGA products as long as the warranty can be sustained; you can expect to see Limited Lifetime Warranty on next generation reference design cards!
  4. Recently you have seen EVGA making more specialty products, such as GTX 275 CO-OP and 285 Classified; these products require major enhancements over the reference designs. Because of the special parts needed for these builds, they are typically limited in QTY’s and offers.
EVGA will not settle to be 2nd best in service and support to our customers!"

In the future, we will closely monitor EVGA's commitment to their customers and again, thanks to a customer that informed us of the change in policy. Unfortunately, EVGA lost a customer who spent a five figure sum in US notes on his personal computers for EVGA equipment alone. Only time will tell whether EVGA come up on top or become "one of many" companies who fight for customer dollars. At BSN*, we put you, as the consumer - first. From the e-mail that EVGA sent, next-gen GeForce reference boards will have lifetime warranty, but there is a question hanging over factory-overclocked boards and special designs. Does that mean the end of warranties for liquid cooled boards etc - only time will tell. There is only one thing that comes to my mind. To paraphrase, EVGA made a "step down".


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Comments:

by: Anonymous on 12/1/2009
my 3 year old 7950gt 256 died and i got a 8800gts 512 quickly. the 8800gts is under warranty too so i'm happy
Customer by: Anonymous on 11/29/2009
I have a EVGA GTX 285 purchased through RMA (upgrade). No problems at all with the process. Got card within a week starting the RMA. Have the spec required equipment in your computer to run these high end cards and do not overclock to the extreme.
Can u blame them? by: Anonymous on 11/24/2009
Without getting into boring details, EVGA and MSI RMA experiences I had recently were both sadly identical, and of course they were for Nvidia GFX cards.

I had to issue dual RMA's on both cards, and pay for shipping both times (EVGA never sent promised pre-paid shipping label... accident?)

Long story short, there are A LOT of defective Nvidia cards, and the ones that do work barely make any money, so all these poor AIB's have to juggle cards and give the end-user the run around.

With EVGA being exclusive to NVidia right now, and with Nvidia cards exploding constantly, how can u blame them?

They gotta stay in business...
@Angry Dude by: Greg442 on 11/23/2009
I never OC’ed my graphics card, as far as my build being substandard, the same rig has worked flawlessly with an Asus card. This is a comment section so it should be no surprise to you that people leave comments…what a novel concept. As I said originally, “it’s my opinion” that EVGA cards “suck” at the very least the one I purchased sure did and the fact EVGA has reduced its warrantee would seem to indicate EGVA lacks confidence in its cards also. Now as for you anger issues, I would suggest you see a physiatrist to help you with that.
Shitload of idiots posting comments before this one by: Anonymous on 11/23/2009
What the fuck is wrong with you people?!? You are buying NVIDIA furnaces from EVGA and you complain?!? Go buy somewhere else, who gives a shit about your dead card which you fried by overclocking it in your shitty little midi tower case. I've seen more than enough people buying expensive GFX card and skimping on all other components. Fuck off already, and learn to build computers, I had several EVGA cards and all of them still work. Don't blame NVIDIA's crap on EVGA.
@ I fix eVGA by: Anshel Sag on 11/22/2009
FYI, you don't have to buy from EVGA in order to get warranty through them. You just have to buy from an authorized retailer...

Nowhere in their warranty does it say that they require it to be bought through them.
by: Anonymous on 11/22/2009
EVGA = EPOX 2.0
I fix eVGA by: Anonymous on 11/22/2009
P.S.

that was 95 core temp under full gaming load

Maybe eVGA would still offer Lifetime warrenty if cooling wasn't such a serious issue. how bout adding $10 of cooling materials (& $30 of end-user cost) so peeps are raving about superior quality & stability, instead of raving about how their butts hurt so much!!!
I fix eVGA by: Anonymous on 11/22/2009
Received a eVGA 7600GT agp DOA from an end-user who didn't register (or know to register). He still had the receipt from the store that he purchased it from. I read the fine-print on the eVGA limited-lifetime warrenty and was shocked to discover that eVGA will only honor it's warrenty WHEN YOU PURCHASE DIRECTLY FROM EVGA! Needless to say, I'm not advising he potentially throw away $25 in shipping. The HS/Fan lacked mass so badly. Replaced crap capacitors & blown MOSFET, added 1/4 pound of heat sink(s) and VOILA! it doesn't go above 70degC inside the closed case (95degC before w. stock HS/fan!!!) He says he will never to buy eVGA again cause his butt still hurts!
Lifetime warrenty my ass, Limited warrenty maybe.
B Stock by: Anonymous on 11/20/2009
They made me jump through hoops (photop.jpg of invoice) for a RMA even though I registered the card when bought. So they try hard to not honor warranty.I also bought a "B stock" video card directly from EVGA and it only had a 90 warranty. I did save $20 so that is the trade off. Time to start buying XFX or Vision Tek as they are the last lifetime cards.
by: Anonymous on 11/20/2009
Greg is pretty butt-hurt, I agree.
I hate EVGA by: Greg442 on 11/20/2009
I have a dead EVGA graphic card, its my opinion that EVGA sucks, just like ECS motherboards. I'll never buy another evga or ecs product, hell I wouldn't even accept them if they were free. Yep I'm pretty butt-hurt about the whole thing still.
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