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Gainward and Palit blast AMD for their GPU product policy



Recently, a lot of media grabbed attention at the decision brought forward by PALIT and its subsidiaries. We can reveal that it is not just Gainward that is considering ditching the ATI lineup, it's the whole PALIT Group. Given the fact that the Palit Group [Palit, Palit Multimedia, Gainward, Galaxy] is one of world's largest manufacturers of graphics cards, these words should be taken with caution by all people in the graphics chain.

Since this is a matter where nobody will go on record, asked or not - you can treat this as a rumor or as a look into a crystal ball - your choice. Under the condition of anonymity, we were given information concerning the current state of affairs between Gainward, Palit and AMD. Brace for impact, this is going to get rough.

According to our sources, Gainward is "extremely unsatisfied" and "unhappy" with the way how AMD allegedly treats them. According to our sources, AMD is "trying to keep its current partners happy and does not allow custom building boards" if you "don't belong to the select few". The sources cited their decision to go with custom-built GeForce GTX275 from day one, and not offering a reference based product. We asked what about ATI Radeon 4890 and 4770 parts, and the answers were surprising and go in the line of ATI not allowing them to release an overclocked or a custom PCB-based product until top tier partners do the same.

The reason why AMD allegedly did not sell 4770/4890 chips to Gainward was the Radeon 4850 card with GDDR5 memory. Partners did not like what Gainward did, ATI requested that Gainward stops advertising and selling the 4850 GDDR5 card. Gainward refused to do so. This was followed by the lack of 4850 chips for Palit, and the "punishment" was the lack of any 4770/4890 allocation.

In the future, Gainward and the whole Palit group plan to position their retail strategy on custom-build PCBs, with a straight policy of releasing a top-notch, no-cost-saving PCB for the high end model and optimizing for "higher-end" and "affordable price points".

For example, Gainward's tactic will probably look like this: on the release date of GeForce GTX XXX Gainward will offer custom-built card from day one. This part will carry a moderate overclock and sold as the Golden Sample part. 30-60 days past the original part, the board will be re-released as "Goes Like Hell" part with heavily tweaked up BIOS and targeting high-end ASP. A more affordable, non-overclocked part [but still on the custom PCB] will appear between the two, somewhere in the 45-60 day range past the Golden Sample part. Our sources claim they had the same policy for both nVidia and AMD/ATI and in the end, AMD acted on it. Since Palit is the largest manufacturer and purchaser of nVidia GPUs, it's not exactly that nVidia has a choice.

Gainward ATI Radeon 9700ProBear in mind that this is not the first time a rift between Gainward and ATI appeared: back in 2002, Gainward was the hottest player in EMEA market and the company was in trouble because nVidia failed to deliver with GeForce 5800 series. In order to save the company, Gainward started to sell ATI Radeon 9700 cards. As you can see on the picture in the right, this was a plain vanilla 9700Pro reference card carried by many vendors. Gainward wanted to do "Golden Sample" cards and build custom PCBs, equip the boards with Innovatek water blocks, overclock them to heaven's high etc. With the market share tanking in 2003 thanks to GeForce FX 5800 and 5900, Gainward went bankrupt and got acquired by Palit.

The team behind OC parts then moved to establish EVGA Europe and continued with the high-end orientation, making a retailing giant with couple of dozen million Euro in sales. On the other hand, Gainward returned to profitability and is currently preparing an attack on the US market, as we exclusively reported here.

Our take is that AMD decided to protect relationships with large vendors such as Sapphire, PowerColor and others. Sadly, graphics card customers don't win this time around.
 



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Comments:

They are all doing it by: Michael A. McKenney on 6/3/2009
All the big players are trying to manipulate reviews and hype in their favor. AMD will never be as large as Intel. I buy hardware based on my need at the price I want to pay. If its more money, I don't buy it. Until users stop dropping $500+ on new video cards, the prices will not come down. Users need to stop listening to the hype. AMD will keep limiting ATI chipsets to a few. Nvidia will benefit. I bought a Sapphire HD 4850x2 instead of the 4870x2. Price vs performance was my basis.
RE: by: Theo Valich on 5/29/2009
Over the past 24 hours we had a lot of interesting discussions "behind the scenes". From one side, we were accused of "not talking to real people", from another, we had several ATI partners congratulating us and some partners from preferred companies defended the bottom line.

Have to say, really funny. In the end, everything is about consumer choice. If a company limits it by playing politics, that is just wrong. If people want to buy an AMG Mercedes, they will pay for AMG Mercedes. If you're not happy with BMW, you get a BMW M... seriously, this industry is more and more looking like a combination of car and airline industry.

Bring on Virgin America, Tesla, Ariel Motors and others...

Palit HD 4850 Sonic Special Edition by: parallelport on 5/29/2009
btw, here's the card

http://www.techenclave.com/dealers-p...on-129434.html

http://cgi.ebay.ph/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...4327&indexURL=

Palit HD 4850 Sonic Special Edition

RIP
@Bob by: Sean Kalinich on 5/28/2009
That is simply not the case here,
They are specifically saying that they cannot until after prefered partners are allowed to make their own.
Have you not noticed that Asus and others are the first out the door with theirs?

It has nothing to do with waves of sales.
People looking to buy stock will buy stock people looking to buy custom and overclockable will buy those.

After all if what you were saying was true the enthusiast would simply wait until the "2nd" wave came out and buy then.
where is the market advantage there?

It is not an economically viable practice. you gain nothing by doing that.
Wrong wrong wrong by: bob on 5/28/2009
Cross-post:
If ATI treated Nvidia partners differently than exclusives, that would be one thing. But Palit is actually complaining about being treated equally. None of ATIs partners are allowed to release non-reference designs for a certain period after the reference release, no matter who you are. It's done to set up two waves of sales, pure and simple. Not so that their main partners get to go first (as they don't.) And no one gets to sell 4850 cards with GDDR5, as it would make them closer to 4870s and undercut sales for that model.

Way to accept a press release/leak at face value, everybody. This is just Palit complaining about AMD's equally applied policies not lining up with their desires. Nothing anti-competitive about it.
Brand loyalty is out the door by: Michael A. McKenney on 5/28/2009
I hope after everything Intel, AMD, ATI and the rest of them are doing that consumers give up on brand loyalty and go for best bang for the buck.
by: hught1956 on 5/28/2009
I like your rules Theo. Hard to believe AMD would make a decision like this. It just makes me scratch my head and wonder. I would think they would be happy if a company could pull more performance out of their gpu. With their financial situation the way it is they should strive to sell every chip they can.
This is just scratching the surface by: Theo Valich on 5/27/2009
At BSN*,

we don't care about the color of the vendor or how good they are. All we care about is consumer choice and are the consumers getting a fair deal or not.

We will report about shady business practices from each and every side of the fence, regardless of the house in question.

When it comes to AMD and ATI, we have couple of very interesting stories coming. Same thing with Intel and nVidia - where we see consumers being damaged in any way, we will report about it.

If an author fails to go by our internal guideliness, he's fired. if an advertiser requests a story to be pulled down, their ad is pulled down.

And that's our guarantee.

All the best,

Editor-in-Chief
Wow! by: Michael A. McKenney on 5/27/2009
You would think AMD/ATI would want to keep every vendor happy. AMD is whining Intel pushes it out of the way. Why is ATI doing the same thing to Pilat. AMD/ATI management need to be replaced.
Interesting by: Sean Kalinich on 5/27/2009
Sounds like a shady business pratcie to me;

And here AMD likes to paint themselves as the picked on company by Intel.

Sounds very much like anti-competative behavior on AMD's part to be honest.

Maybe Pilat should file a complaint with the EU...
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