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Expert's view: What AMD needs to do to sell its TWKR processors



Like Theo, I read AMD's CMO Nigel Dessau's twitter post asking casually what they should charge for TWKR should they be able to produce enough. For those of you who may not have been following, TWKR is a high-leakage Phenom II X4 that, when combined with extreme cooling and a lot of voltage, can post some incredible overclocking numbers.

But due to the fact that it requires extreme, short-term-solution cooling like liquid nitrogen, I do not agree with Theo that it can command the same price premium as Intel's Core i7 Extreme Edition processors. Without extreme cooling, the Phenom II TWKR performs a lot like a Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition, yielding perhaps an extra 100-200MHz on air or water. I believe that AMD can productize this part, but it will require some creative thinking on behalf of AMD.

AMD needs to release TWKR as a high-wattage part. Go ahead and slap a 160W TDP on there, your target market won't care. Clock it at 3.8GHz.  And qualify a few coolers to work with it, namely something from CoolIT or Asetek. In fact, I believe they should bundle TWKR with a low cost liquid cooling solution like CoolIT's Domino ALC, sell the bundle for $499 to the channel. The only hurdle will be qualifying existing AM3/AM2+ boards to work with the higher TDP, but it can be done. In fact, start out small with the boutiques, we're always the best choke point for these projects and can get the press from it.

For boutiques like us at MAINGEAR, this would mean several things. We have a product that is available in the channel with the full benefits attached to it; a warranty and its cost goes towards our partnership status with AMD. Currently, our top of the line rig, the ePhex, does not have an AMD configuration. We feel that right now the Core i7 fits our high-end customers better than the Phenom II X4. A Phenom II X4 at 3.8GHz out of the box may change that.  Add in one-touch overclocking with AMD Overdrive, and even if you only get 3.9 or 4.0GHz out of it, that's still something. AMD shouldn't be worried so much as to the percentage of the overclock, rather the end result. Because that's what will win reviews.

Back in 2005, several boutiques got a green light and support from Intel to start selling Pentium D 840 Extreme Edition parts overclocked from 3.2GHz to 4.0GHz. Intel supported the boutiques by supplying them with a maintenance-free water cooling solution they designed in-house. This was at a time when Intel really needed to capture back the enthusiast market, which at the time was going to AMD. In those days most boutiques were selling 80% AMD systems. Today, the situation is opposite. Think about that for a minute.

AMD has an opportunity here. I don't know how many "TWKR" parts they can make or find, and even if I did I would violate my NDA if I were to reveal a number. If AMD can release a Phenom II X4 at 3.8GHz (or even 3.7GHz), even at low volume, I do believe they could command a $499 price tag, and I think that from a boutique perspective, they'd gain several design wins.



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Comments:

by: MB on 7/6/2009
You have to understand he's coming at it from a realistic business angle; as a mass-marketable product, and I applaud this editorial in that respect. This is what AMD wanted to know. As a realistic SKU, ie 'stock', this product has potential, even if outside the norm. If, although using more power and a higher thermal envelope, these parts can GUARANTEE a higher stable clockspeed, or even the norm max overclock of any phenom II, they should be marketed as such to get AMD a review win; a Halo product. THEY NEED IT. As he implied, a normal Phenom II X4 can hit an average around 3.8ghz, but no products are yet showing this almost-guaranteed potential power as a comparable alternative to even the slowest Core i7, and it's wasted potential. Imagine this product priced at $499 versus a $599 Core i7 940 in a review deathmatch. Who would win on performance/dollar ratio? No, the fact the Core i7 can blow it away when overclocked does not matter. We are talking a warrantied product here, the dude with the disposable income that wants the best without looking to overclock boutique machines or without having to tinker with anything. You throw in a cooler to make this product feasible, perhaps something like the revised LCLC the Corsair H50 is based on, and you have what many-a "medium" enthusiast would buy and shoot for anyway without the pleasure/pain of doing it yourself. You wouldn't be paying a HUGE premium over doing it the old-fashioned way, plus you're all set if you want to anyway. If you choose to tinker with it you have the potential of anything from a little more performance than any other AMD product you could buy, let alone on the stock cooler, all the way to setting world records with liquid helium. The point is to find that max feasible producible product and set it loose against Intel's currently tame-clocked Nehalem products.

I think his idea is a great one, and AMD should take note.
by: Toby Hudon on 7/6/2009
Why bundle them with any heatsink at all? Virtually any serious OCer will just take it as an insult or at best useless junk adding to the cost of it. Bundling a Swiftech MCW-compact knockoff like the Domino isn't going to really impress anyone who knows what the deal is for a TWKR.

Overclocking focused reviews are funny. On high end hardware they focus on absolute OC, and on low end hardware they focus on percentage OC. AMD used to do very well on the latter, but it seems hard to fight off 4Ghz E5200s these days. I had thought they would sweep the "overclocking for best value" reviews with the unlockable extra cores on the X2 550BE, and then right after it came out (and sold a ton) they announced they were going to block core unlocking.

I still think TWKRs should be available with proof of charitable donation. I'd rather see a school get two modest AMD-based machines than AMD get $499. They can even just write the cost off. Plus I doubt there will be enough TWKRs to satisfy demand for long, as the process improves they'll dry up or be eclipsed by newer core revisions.
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