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OFFICIAL: NVIDIA says GT300 on schedule for Q4 2009, yields are fine



November is looking to be an exciting month as we hear rumblings of a launch of AMD's Radeon HD 5850 X2 and HD 5870 X2. In fact almost all of the news lately has been about AMD's new DX11 40nm GPU. The question on everyone's minds was the same - Where is NVIDIA?

We are happy to report that we were correct in our earlier predictions that the GT300 is farther along than many other sites were predicting. We hear that NVIDIA has made an official statement on the state of the GT300 yields.

It seems that the GT300 has been taped out long ago and that yields are fine. This statement comes from a senior product manager for the GT300, but we also have this from our own sources [who have been saying this all along].

So where did the rumors of sub 2% yields come from? Well according to the unnamed source it looks like AMD's Competitive Analysis team mistranslated some information that stated only 9 chips per wafer worked. This information quickly spread around the internet and became what we like to call "the repeated truth". Bear in mind that this was the same team in charge of spreading rumors that Larrabee is now in its third or fourth generation of silicon, which is direly incorrect. But we'll address Larrabee and the turmoil there in a future article. 

Our sources [and the senior managers] are still saying that the GT300 is slated for a Q4 2009 launch. This means that you should expect the new GT300 to show up around the end of November. This is most likely a follow up to Editor's Day that should happen at the beginning of November. Most likely nVidia is pitching the GT300 chip exactly three years after its revolutionary G80 [also known as NV50] architecture, pitching it right around Thanksgiving, however from what we are hearing it is looking more like the very end of November or early December.

Still with this news it does take a little notch out of the AMD announcement. We are sure that NVIDIA will be making more information public as the momentum grows around AMD’s new 5xxx series GPUs. After all nothing works better to kill potential sales than leaked information on a possibly better product. Since we already disclosed some GT300 performance figures, expect an interesting war of words.

We all will have to wait to see if the GT300 can outperform the HD 5870, HD 5850X2 and the HD 5870X2 but as the current HD5870's margin is not that big we might see an interesting upset. No matter what the outcome the GPU race is certainly going to be very interesting in the coming months.



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Comments:

Looking For Fastest NO-PiN Power by: Anonymous on 11/1/2009
For me the Winner will always be the best performer in a certain power(low) configuration

-arsimjay
Nvidia by: Anonymous on 10/5/2009
Nvidia will kick ATI's ass again, as usual...

Fanboys ugh! by: Anonymous on 9/28/2009
Can't stand fanboys from either camp, I'll get what ever best fits the budget and my computational needs. I like to use my graphics cards for other things as well as gaming.
If AMD/ATI works better so be it, if NV is superior in non gaming compute I might get that as well. All fanboys do is inflate the hype and bury the truth and in the end it never matter as the next generation is coming out in a year or two anyways.
@ Anon by: Sean Kalinich on 9/28/2009
"wow it seems that you don't know that the 295 is a dual 285(or 275) and you are the author of the article.

if nvidia increases gtx 285 power by 100% still would be close to the 5870"

Not sure what you are impying here. Where did I say that the 295 was not a dual GPU?

The Original Poster stated:

"Even If their GT360 series double the performance, (say Gtxx295 performance)ATI 5870 (2GB with matured drivers) easily beat them and it will be priced much lower"

I asked them to produce a real world gaming test that showed the 5870 beating the GTX285 by 100% (double). Adding that I would like to see a test showing the 5870 beating the GTX295 by double also.

My statement was:
"Can you link real gaming tests that show the 5870 beating the GTX285 or 295 by more than double?"

There are no tests showing this.
if nvidia increases gtx 285 power by 100% still would be close to the 5870... by: Anonymous on 9/27/2009

"if nvidia increases gtx 285 power by 100% still would be close to the 5870"
For the one that said this , i´m sorry but it´s false. Don´t forget that multi GPU´s setups don´t scale ina an linear fashion, ex: id one GPU score 100 points in a bench, two will probably score 150 or 160 resulting in an increase of 50% or 6o&. So if Nvidia can make a single Gpu that doubles the performance of the GTX, their card will beat the 5870 but not by a big margin like in the previous generation of cards.
@ Sean Kalinich by: Anonymous on 9/26/2009
''I am not sure where you get the performance numbers from? Right now the 5870 is barely beating the GTX285 and 295 from the reviews that are out. We have not tested on in house yet but are looking forward to doing so very soon.

Can you link real gaming tests that show the 5870 beating the GTX285 or 295 by more than double?''

wow it seems that you don't know that the 295 is a dual 285(or 275) and you are the author of the article.

if nvidia increases gtx 285 power by 100% still would be close to the 5870

by: Anonymous on 9/25/2009
Senior manager from Nvidia has told Fudzilla that “Our (Nvidia’s) 40nm yields are fine. The rumors you are hearing are baseless.”

This says nothing about the yields for GT300.
Nvidia have some upcoming GT200 40nm shrinks.
@Price by: Sean Kalinich on 9/25/2009
I am not sure where you get the performance numbers from? Right now the 5870 is barely beating the GTX285 and 295 from the reviews that are out. We have not tested on in house yet but are looking forward to doing so very soon.

Can you link real gaming tests that show the 5870 beating the GTX285 or 295 by more than double?

But all that aside we do not know what the pricing will be but will have to wait on that until we get closer to launch time. Right now AMD does have the advantage as it has something out right now, but as we have seen in the past the mention of a competing product can and does impact sales.

In addition DX11 will run on both GPUs. so that will benefit both companies regardless of the implementation. We all will have to wait and see what performance will be like when both cards are out.



Price ? by: Anonymous on 9/25/2009
Even If their GT360 series double the performance, (say Gtxx295 performance)ATI 5870 (2GB with matured drivers) easily beat them and it will be priced much lower. Because Green team Die size will be much larger than Red Team (around 60% increase). ATI still not shown their hidden weapon, HD5890 series. So we cannot say that it is going to beat the ATI 58xx series and moreover green team new architecture might boosts their CUDAA and GPGPU performance not the Dx11 gaming as u guys are expecting, by the way ATI worked with most of the gaming vendors for more than 8 months to bring the DX11 game by end of this year or first half of next year (CRYSIS-2, DIRT2, STALKER, AVP ..etc ) .So it is hard to say they can beat in new DX11 titles. I don't think they will be supporting Eye-finity too. ATI had their cards working 4 months before the release, then they worked on the yield and production version for more than 4 months, even though ATI cards are still scarce to see in e-tailors.
Anyway all the best for GreenTeam.
Nice! by: Anonymous on 9/25/2009
Very nice news, I can finally be assured that buying a second 260 is not a bad idea since it will be eligable for step up to GT300. I can't wait, personally. :)
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