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Will 2010 Be a Messy Legal Cesspool for Intel, nVidia?





Legally speaking, 2009 was not a great year for Intel Corp. Intel and NVIDIA’s spat over chipset licensing arguably has led to Intel being hit with a lawsuit from the Federal Trade Commission [FTC]. BSN* has reported on Intel’s sticky situation however, independent findings on the matter have been published by Danish researcher and author Agner Fog on his website in an article titled "Will Intel be forced to remove the "cripple AMD" function from their compiler?"

It is interesting to note that Fog quoted BSN* in his article and corroborated many AMD supporters opinions: "There is something fishy about those benchmarks scores" as some computer enthusiasts do not feel certain benchmarks [or any benchmarks] are indicative of real-world performance. Fog explains the issue of using Intel’s compiler on non-Intel products and provides workarounds to improve performance on AMD and VIA CPUs. One of interesting quotes was confirmation of the statements made by Van Smith in our story - "However, the Intel CPU dispatcher does not only check which instruction set is supported by the CPU, it also checks the vendor ID string. If the vendor string says "GenuineIntel" then it uses the optimal code path. If the CPU is not from Intel then, in most cases, it will run the slowest possible version of the code, even if the CPU is fully compatible with a better version."

The drama does not stop here. In related news; Richtek has sued AMD and partners over alleged patent infringements. The situation is as follows according to a recent press release:
"Chip designer Richtek Technology Corp. (6286.TW) said Wednesday it filed a complaint with the U.S. International Trade Commission and a separate lawsuit with a district court in California against Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD) and four other companies for allegedly infringing three of its patents and misusing business secrets.
Richtek alleges Taiwan-based uPI Semiconductor Corp. and U.S.-based Sapphire Technology Limited, Diamond Multimedia Inc. and XFX Technology Inc. also infringed on its patents. The U.S. International Trade Commission informed the company that it began investigating the case, Richtek said in a statement. In the lawsuit against the companies filed with the California court, Richtek seeks an injunction and compensation, but the company didn't disclose other details. Robyn Kao, a public relations manager for AMD's Taiwan branch, said she couldn't comment on the case."

What is very interesting is that Taiwanese Richtek Technology Corporation is not suing the parent companies - Sapphire Technology and XFX Technology are subsidiaries of PC Partner and PINE Technology Holdings Limited, neither of which are US-based. Also, Richtek won Intel's Preferred Quality Supplier Award [PQS] in 2007. Could this be a sinister counter-suit by proxy ploy from Intel? The current answer is…doubtful because the fact that Richtek won a PQS award from Intel in 2007 does not prove anything towards such a link. But it is significant that the lawsuit is targeted at AMD’s arguably much more successful graphics arm and AMD’s board partners. This comes at a time when Intel has already settled with AMD over anti-competitive practices for $1.25 billion. The odd question is, why sue just those partners? What about the other AMD board partners?

These lawsuits raise some questions about nVidia’s business practices; namely nVidia’s The Way It’s Meant To Be Played developer program, PhysX and CUDA – all closed development platforms. CUDA especially appears to be gaining traction, with nVidia beginning to successfully court large institutions – including the National Taiwan University. Also in question is how this will nVidia’s bid for an x86 license or whether nVidia actually does have plans to purchase VIA’s microprocessor division away from Formosa Plastics Group, owner of this Taiwanese CPU and chipset manufacturer. NVIDIA is already steaming along with recently leaked plans to launch its Tegra 2 platform in the form of ChromeOS netbooks from Google. Will NVIDIA be allowed to keep their IP closely in hand, or will these legal proceedings open the door to even more cross-licensing?

None of the involved parties were available to comment, so in the interest of fairness and objectivity BSN* openly invites representatives of said companies to give a statement(s).  As always, we invite our readers to comment and share their thoughts.

We are very curious as to what changes a more fairly optimized compiler will bring to benchmark scores, pricing and possible resulting market share shift towards AMD or later NVIDIA?. One thing is certain, it appears that 2010 will full of interesting legal battles but it remains to be seen whether the landscape of the semiconductor industry will be permanently changed.


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Comments:

by: Anonymous on 1/9/2010
The US should go to war with Taiwan and occupy all those small companies and give the to Intel and Nvidia.

Just a joke.
by: Anonymous on 1/5/2010
Good luck with hearing from "representatives of said companies"! You sound about 10, blowing your own trumpet etc etc! Yes, you are absolutely wonderful.
by: Anonymous on 1/3/2010
Well, nVidia did lock people with AMD and nVidia cards out of hardware-accelerated PhysX.
The acceleration only works when all GPUs in the system are nVidia.

But that was after AMD declined to support Cuda/PhysX, even though nVidia was open to it.
AMD wanted to go their own way, first through their proprietary Stream, and now through OpenCL.
So far, nothing much has materialized.

I hope Fermi will be a success, and give GPGPU a push into the mainstream. That might finally get AMD to realize that they really DO need a good software stack for OpenCL and physics acceleration (among other things).
Huh? by: Anonymous on 1/3/2010
Hold on there - I thought nvidia offered both cuda and physx to amd? But amd refused saying "they would make it run slower on amd hw", or something silly.

So physx and cuda are closed because of amd, not nvidia - nvidia just wants to sell its hw, and that's why they locked out amd hw so that people wouldn't use high-end amd hw for graphics and consumer-level nvidia hw for physx, which is kind of weak, but they did not lock amd out of physx or cuda - on the contrary, amd didn't want in.

As for opencl - it's basically a copy of cuda.

And for fermi - I hope it does not fall on its face - why would anyone? If it does, then hw progress will slow down, amd prices go up and we are left with worse hw with a higher price tag on our hands.

And of course, the benchmarks should be compiled specifically with the best compiler for each hw. Benchmarking is such a difficult subject and there are a lot of bad benchmarks out there.
RE: CUDA / OpenCL by: Theo Valich on 1/2/2010
Ask Apple why are they supporting OpenCL.

OpenCL was first demonstrated to Apple by nVidia using nVidia hardware, after which the contract was sign between the two companies.

It is no secret who is the largest investor in Khronos group and who the chairman is.

But yeah, the way how nvidia locked everybody else out with PhysX in general sucks.

Ed.
by: Anonymous on 1/2/2010
"push their OpenCL API to go against CUDA"

Eh, 'their' OpenCL API? OpenCL was Apple's idea, and is governed by Khronos.
nVidia is the one who supports OpenCL in public drivers, AMD doesn't yet.
by: Anonymous on 1/2/2010
I don't think the problem is with Intel and its compiler, but rather with benchmark developers who choose the Intel compiler rather than a more neutral one. Unless ofcourse the purpose of the benchmark never was to evaluate the performance between CPUs of different vendors in the first place, then the problem is with whoever misinterpreted and misused the benchmark.
I mean, it's perfectly valid to create a benchmark to measure how different Intel systems scale (eg varying memory configurations, number of cores/CPUs, clockspeed etc). In that case I don't see a problem with using the Intel compiler for a benchmark.
Licenses galore by: Anonymous on 1/2/2010
What I hope to see is more open x86 licensing, I'd like to see more x86 companies.

I would also like to see nVidia open up CUDA and Physx as well as change their TWIMTBP so it doesn't lock out graphic settings on non-nVidia GPUs.

But yeah, I am dreaming. The reality is that many companies in IT are just patent trolls, money hordes, and douchebags who can't seem to open their platforms for more competition to benefit the consumer.

I hope Fermi falls on its face, Intel get's their asses handed by the FTC, and AMD to actually get their CPUs on the high-end again, push their OpenCL API to go against CUDA, and get some open physics platform out, and increase their relationship with game developers.

by: Anti-DRMintosh on 1/2/2010
Scumvidia and VermIntel, 2 ****sucking monopolist piece of $hit a$$holes.
Compilers by: Anonymous on 1/2/2010
Compilers by definition optimize code for the HW the code is running on. Of course an Intel compiler will make SW run better on Intel HW--thats the whole point! I don't get what the big deal is.
by: Anonymous on 1/2/2010

So benchmarks have been favourable towards Intel because people use Intel´s software to run them... I´m i the only one that sees what´s wrong here? Shouldn´t people use a software that isn´t provided by one of the companies being evaluated? Did someone expect Intel or any other company in the same situation to act differently???
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