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AMD Llano "Fusion" taped out, 32nm SOI CPU + GPU



If you followed AMD closely over the course of past couple of years, you know that the company is preaching the "Fusion" mantra for quite some time. However, AMD didn't deliver Fusion APU [Accelerated Processing Unit] when it promised [May 2009], since the company decided to abandon its complete CPU roadmap back in late 2006. Given that AMD traditionally needs (at least) five years to deliver a new CPU architecture, that move.

Unfortunately for AMD, the company completely botched messaging to their partners and the media, who all thought Bulldozer is one architecture - in reality, Bulldozer V1 was scrapped for V2, which we could call pretty radical. Bulldozer and Bobcat are two new CPU architectures which will be combined with the Northern Islands GPUs but the first Fusion processor isn't based on Bulldozer nor Bobcat CPU core, neither on Northern Islands GPU core. Meet "K10.6" i.e. STARS architecture [Agena/Deneb] gets its third manufacturing process - 32nm Llano.

Meet Llano's 32nm CPU core - 9.69mm2 of smart processing goodness
In order to discuss the AMD's Llano core, we spoke with a Mr. Sam Naffziger, Senior Fellow. For starters, we were explained that the x86 core AMD is talking about on ISSCC 2010 does not have a code name. We were told to use an "x86 core using 32nm SOI". We'll use Llano and Llano core instead.

Single core inside AMD's Fusion APU: Llano brings 512KB L1 and 4MB of L2 cache, all compactly packed
Single core inside AMD's Fusion APU: Llano brings 512KB L1 and 4MB of L2 cache, all compactly packed

Single x86 execution CPU core inside Llano comes at 9.69mm2 in size, packing 35 million transistors in the process. Given that Llano does not feature unified L2 cache memory [on AMD CPU designs, L3 cache is unified, L2 usually isn't], the 35 million figure only include core logic and L1 cache in its usual quantity [64KB Instruction and 64KB Data]. Do bear in mind that going to 32nm enabled AMD to start putting 1MB of L2 cache per core, rather than 512KB of today and kill off the L3 cache. Sam told us that AMD improved the execution performance, "cleaned up the instruction set" and build Llano to feature "true power management".

" We're particularly happy about the implementation we've pulled off on core power gating. This is a first for AMD - we've integrated the ability to completely disconnect any one or all of the cores from the power supply to essentially, cut the power consumption to negligible levels." However, the way how AMD achieved this is very interesting as "[AMD] didn't need to add any special metal layers or leakage devices into the core level. Essentially, we're taking full advantage of what Silicon On Insulator provides us - It's a synergetic effect that is not possible on bulk technology and we're using the package layers to send power around."
"Power aware clock grid design" term was also thrown around. According to AMD, 32nm Llano comes with a precisely tuned clock grid construction, claiming 80% reduction in clock grid metal capacitance - reducing the number of power buffers by half.

Very interesting look into how AMD enhanced the clock gate design - digital APM solved a lot of issues related with power saving techniques in the past
Interesting insight into how AMD enhanced the clock gate design - Digital APM solved a lot of issues related with power saving techniques in the past

Operational voltage is set between 0.8 and 1.3V in a very interesting way. Sam called this core "first true mobile design", as it uses very similar design guidelines as mobile GPUs, with multiple power planes able to shut off parts of the chip as they become unnecessary, all in an effort to reduce power consumption to a minimum. In order to be able to efficiently shut off power on parts, Llano features a Digital APM Module - power management controller which checks roughly 100 signals per core and depending on that data, cuts down the power to the parts of the chip which are not under load. This should enable AMD to finally challenge Intel for notebook dominance in terms of battery life. Given that AMD's GPUs are much more potent than Intel's, the company won't have a tough time competing on that front. Then again, Intel has a somewhat unexpected partner in nVidia's Optimus technology, which simply works.

Given that a single CPU core operates between 2.5 and 25 Watts, this figure is quite important. According to AMD, 25W figure is when the core is working at 3GHz, meaning a desktop design will probably go into the 125W Maximum Power envelope, with 25W being given to each CPU and one GPU core, while notebook designs will have to obey the 35W CPU + 35W GPU limits.

AMD Llano - Fusion takes shape
Even though AMD is not talking about Llano's as a complete part - over the course of past few months, we managed to learn that Llano incorporates a graphics core from Evergreen family, not the Northern Islands one. This is equal to the policy deployed on the CPU side, using tried and tested components to produce an unique product. Explanation for that is really interesting - Llano will feature world's first SOI [Silicon-on-Insulator] GPU, ahead of moving the GPU production from exclusively TSMC to a mixture of TSMC and GlobalFoundries as 28nm process takes off. AMD ditched the old concept of MCM [Multi-Chip Module] that Intel utilizes oh-so-well to maximize its profits [and yes, it works with no questions asked] and went for the native mono-die approach: one silicon to rule them all.

This single die will feature four x86 cores, 512KB L1 and 4MB L2 Cache, Evergreen GPU core, unified memory controller, and utilize the same CPU socket AMD is selling today. Compatibility may be an issue, as AMD will need wires to connect the display outputs or use a connecting chip with all the display logic.

In any case, Llano is looking quite promising - while it cannot compete with Intel in terms of CPU performance, packing a good GPU onto the same CPU silicon and more efficiently, having access to the latest manufacturing techniques from GlobalFoundries bodes well for AMD.
 


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Comments:

does it? by: Anonymous on 2/25/2010
Since when does any i-something CRUSH phenom II? It is true the Phenom is not as good as the i-somethings or as good as the top-o-the-line c2qs but I would not call a 10-20% performance gap call crush... Especially if we're compairing chips and mbs that do not fit the same pricepoint.

Granted Intel has a better architecture, granted they were the first at 40 and 32. But you know the majority of us want something that we can eventually upgrade. AM3 does not support Llano, it couldn't it needs extra pins for the GPU BUT Thuban does fit! And if they finally clean out the design of Phenom II and get a better manufacturing process (how about HK-MG?? thats another thing they are ages beyond intel) we should see some good products there.

I'm also very pissed at amd because they're not releasing Llano directly with BD cores... They've been sitting on theyr damn athlon cores for ages now! Move the fuck on AMD!! You had a good run with them ... move... ON!
I don't get it by: Anonymous on 2/25/2010
Amd could release a beefed up 5890 MCM on SOI/HK-MG on 32 nm, at 3.5-4 ghz and it should boast about 25 Tflops (yet fit on a chip). (The llano puppy should boast about 2 Tflops if frequences don't drop) Release it as a proffessional line or somthing and ask for 15-20k $ for it. Offer an extended crossfirex (maybe 8 way? 100 Tflops anybody? 10 servernodes/petaflop anybody?) and be done with nvidia nothing out there could beat that ofcourse you would need 10-20 GB of DDR5(6-7 Ghz) on each of these beasts but I think the price would justify that. I'm sure there is a market for this, just look at nvidias tesla line for example and theyr pricepoints!!! And also call it something cool like ATI N-uke.
No Compatibility by: Anonymous on 2/23/2010

"This single die will feature four x86 cores, 512KB L1 and 4MB L2 Cache, Evergreen GPU core, unified memory controller, and utilize the same CPU socket AMD is selling today. Compatibility may be an issue, as AMD will need wires to connect the display outputs or use a connecting chip with all the display logic."

This is so wrong! It's NOT the same socket and there's no compatibility between Llano and Socket AM3 or Socket S1.

The Llano will fit onto a NEW 35x35mm 722-pin Socket and a NEW 27x27mm 812-ball BGA which is incompatible with the current ASB1-812. The South Bridge is a 23x23mm 528-ball BGA.
by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
"For Fusion to make sense, AMD must enabled GPGPU."

Except AMD sucks at it. Look at Folding@Home and Stream compared to what nVIDIA is doing.
Idiots... by: Anonymous on 2/11/2010
"Nope the Core i7 is not faster in games. When the 965BE is clocked above 3GHz its better in some games then the Core i7. My guess is that the Core i7 works better on stock speed because of turbo boost. Most games only use 1 or 2 cores, so the other 2 idle. Then the 2 cores that are used are overclocked automatically by turbo boost and that's why it offers better performance then the 965BE at stock speed."

Core 2 Quad (Not even the Core i7) CRUSHES the Phenom II clock for clock. Go look at Tom's for the test @ all 3 chips running at 2.8GHz. And most games don't only use 1 to 2 cores. If you think that you are insane. Look again at Tom's for the processor core scaling from 1 to 4 cores. Trust me, you DO NOT want to be gaming on a single core. The next biggest jump is from dual to triple core. 4 cores is a smaller jump, but still impressive.
You all don't get it by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
It seems that nobody here get what is AMD intention with Liano. But then the article isn't explain it either.

Fusion is more than only glueing GPU and CPU together. If the GPU is only intended to do normal GPU stuffs then there are no reasons for fusion to exist.

For Fusion to make sense, AMD must enabled GPGPU. By using GPU for General Purpose Computing, there are certain tasks that can be speeded up to hundreds time faster than CPU computing. Now we only has 4 cores in single CPU chip contrast that with hundreds of cores in single GPU chip.

Granted as of now the leader in GPGPU is not AMD, it's NVIDIA. It's not the question of hardware, it's the software, the compiler, the programming language that has to be available first to take advantage of the GPU power.
by: Anonymous on 2/10/2010
"Really, what is the difference between your 200fps and my 100fps? I tell you I can not see the difference. Maybe it is my eyes that need the upgrade!"

You can't see the difference for 2 reasons:

1. If you run it on a LCD with 60Hz refresh rate, then you only have 60FPS on the screen. You can't have more FPS then the refresh rate of the monitor (the FPS that FRAPS tells you is the FPS output of the graphic card, not the actual FPS of the screen, since that is always equal to the refresh rate).

2. Your eyes can't see see more then about 25 pictures per second. So anything that runs between 30-60FPS without dropping below 30 should seem to run smoothly to your eyes.
by: Anonymous on 2/9/2010
This chip, clocled at around 3.0ghz and at 100$ will rock for mainstream and budget systems. Overclocked it will kick serious ass in budget gaming systems, totally negating a discreet card and bringing the costs down. Well done AMD!
by: Anonymous on 2/9/2010
Really, what is the difference between your 200fps and my 100fps? I tell you I can not see the difference. Maybe it is my eyes that need the upgrade!

I can't wait untill Llano is out. It will go nicely into a small ITX MB.
by: Anonymous on 2/9/2010
Really, what is the difference between your 200fps and my 100fps? I tell you I can not see the difference. Maybe it is my eyes that need the upgrade!

I can't wait untill Llano is out. It will go nicely into a small ITX MB.
by: Frantz on 2/9/2010
Core I7 is way faster in games!!!

Does that mean that If I use a Core i7 CPU I will complete my games faster? To put the question another way, at which point is the additional speed meaningless?
by: Anonymous on 2/9/2010
Nope the Core i7 is not faster in games. When the 965BE is clocked above 3GHz its better in some games then the Core i7. My guess is that the Core i7 works better on stock speed because of turbo boost. Most games only use 1 or 2 cores, so the other 2 idle. Then the 2 cores that are used are overclocked automatically by turbo boost and that's why it offers better performance then the 965BE at stock speed.

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=869&p=0
by: Anonymous on 2/9/2010
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AMD competes just fine with Intel. Stop picking a few benchmarks. Overall, even i7 is maybe 10-12%. Some cases AMD has the lead - especially in High-Res gaming and Cryptography - you know stuff people actually use. Both more important than Cinebench, Fritz chess or Super Pi.
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Core i7 is way faster in games
Yeah right by: Anonymous on 2/9/2010
AMD competes just fine with Intel. Stop picking a few benchmarks. Overall, even i7 is maybe 10-12%. Some cases AMD has the lead - especially in High-Res gaming and Cryptography - you know stuff people actually use. Both more important than Cinebench, Fritz chess or Super Pi.
by: Anonymous on 2/9/2010
"Given that AMD traditionally needs (at least) five years to deliver a new CPU architecture, that move."

What does that sentence mean?!
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